Catastrophic predictions of the future are always good, because all future predictions are usually wrong. I will not be scared as long as most future predictions where AI is involved are catastrophic.
AI 2027
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#332It’s good science fiction, I’ll give it that. I think getting lost in the weeds over technicalities ignores the crux of the narrative: even if this doesn’t lead to AGI, at the very least it’s likely the final “warning shot” we’ll get before it’s suddenly and irreversibly here. The problems it raises - alignment, geopolitics, lack of societal safeguards - are all real, and happening now (just replace “AGI” with “corpo…
I fail to see how corporations are responsible for the climate crisis: Politicians won't tax gas because they'll get voted out. We know that Trump is not captured by corporations because his trade policies are terrible. If anything, social media is the evil that's destroying the political center: Americans are no longer reading mainstream newspapers or watching mainstream TV news. The EU is saying the elections in Ro…
> Politicians won't tax gas because they'll get voted out.
Have you seen gas tax rates in the EU?
> We know that Trump is not captured by corporations because his trade policies are terrible.
Unless you think it's a long con for some rich people to be able to time the market by getting him to crash it.
> The EU is saying the elections in Romania was manipulated through manipulation of TikTok accounts and media.
More importantly, Romanian courts say that too. And it was all out in the open, so not exactly a secret
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#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In this world people become more like pests. They offer no economic value yet demand that AGI owners (wherever publicly or privately owned) share resources with them. If people revolted any AGI owner would be far better off just deploying a bioweapon to humanely kill the protestors rather than sharing resources with them. This is a very doomer take. The threats are real, and I'm certain some people feel this way, b…
> This is a very doomer take. The threats are real, and I'm certain some people feel this way, but eliminating large swaths of humanity is something dicatorships have tried in the past. Tried, and succeeded in. In times where people held more power than today. Not sure what point you're trying to make here. > Most of humanity has empathy for others. I would prefer to have hope that we will make it through, rather tha…
Basically why open source everything is increasingly more important and imo already making “AI” safer.
If the many have access to the latest AI then there is less chance the masses are blindsided by some rogue tech.
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#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
I fail to see how corporations are responsible for the climate crisis: Politicians won't tax gas because they'll get voted out. We know that Trump is not captured by corporations because his trade policies are terrible. If anything, social media is the evil that's destroying the political center: Americans are no longer reading mainstream newspapers or watching mainstream TV news. The EU is saying the elections in Ro…
> Politicians won't tax gas because they'll get voted out. I wonder if that's corporations' fault after all: shitty working conditions and shitty wages, so that Bezos can afford to send penises into space. What poor person would agree to higher tax on gas? And the corps are the ones backing politicians who'll propagandize that "Unions? That's communism! Do you want to be Chaina?!" (and spread by those dickheads on th…
When people have more money, they tend to buy larger cars that they drive further. Flying is also a luxury.
So corporations are involved in the sense that they pay people more than a living wage.
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#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
Humans becoming domesticated by benevolent superintelligences are some of the better futures with superintelligences, in my mind. Iain M Banks' Culture series is the best depiction of this I've come across; they're kind of the utopian rendition of the phrase "all watched over by machines of loving grace". Though it's a little hard to see how we get from here to there.
Honestly that part of the article and some other comments have given me the idle speculation, what if that was the solution to the, "Humans no longer feel they can meaningfully contribute to the world," issue? Like we can satisfy the hunting and retrieval instincts of dogs by throwing a stick, surely an AI that is 10,000 times more intelligent can devise a stick-retrieval-task for humans in a way that feels like sati…
What will AI find fulfilling itself? I find that to be quite a deep question.
I feel the limitations of humans are quite a feature when you think about what the experience of life would be like if you couldn’t forget or experienced things for the first time. If you already knew everything and you could achieve almost anything with zero effort. It actually sounds…insufferable.
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#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
No one's gonna solve anything. "Our" world is based on greedy morons concentrating power through hands of just morons who are happy to hit you with a stick. This system doesn't think about what "we" should or allowed to do, and no one's here is at the reasonable side of it either. lest we run the very real risk of societal collapse or species extinction Our part is here. To be replaced with machines if this AI thing…
https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/
Thanks for the read. One could think that the answer is to simply stop being a part of it, but then again you're from the genus that outcompeted everyone else in staying alive. Nature is such a shitty joke by design, not sure how one is supposed to look at the hypothetical designer with warmth in their heart.
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#337If you genuinely believe this, why on earth would you work for OpenAI etc even in safety / alignment?
The only response in my view is to ban technology (like in Dune) or engage in acts of terror Unabomber style.
Re: AI 2027
#338If you genuinely believe this, why on earth would you work for OpenAI etc even in safety / alignment? The only response in my view is to ban technology (like in Dune) or engage in acts of terror Unabomber style.
> The only response in my view is to ban technology (like in Dune) or engage in acts of terror Unabomber style.
Not far off from the conclusion of others who believe the same wild assumptions. Yudkowsky has suggested using terrorism to stop a hypothetical AGI -- that is, nuclear attacks on datacenters that get too powerful.
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#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you put a knife in someone’s heart, you’re the one who did it and ultimately you’re responsible. If someone told you to do it and you were just following orders… you still did it. If you say there were no rules against putting knives in other people’s hearts, you still did it and you’re still responsible. If it’s somehow different for corporations, please enlighten me how.
The oil companies are saying their product is vital to the economy and they are not wrong. How else will we get food from the farms to the store ? Ambulances to the hospitals ? And many, many other things. Taxes are the best way to change behaviour (smaller cars driving less. Less flying etc). So government and the people who vote for them is to blame.
What if people are manipulated by bot farms and think tanks and talking points supported by those corporations?
I think this view of humans - that they look at all the available information and then make calm decisions in their own interests - is simply wrong. We are manipulated all the damn time. I struggle to go to the supermarket without buying excess sugar. The biggest corporations in the world grew fat off showing us products to impulse buy before our more rational brain functions could stop us. We are not a little pilot in a meat vessel.
Re: AI 2027
#340It’s good science fiction, I’ll give it that. I think getting lost in the weeds over technicalities ignores the crux of the narrative: even if this doesn’t lead to AGI, at the very least it’s likely the final “warning shot” we’ll get before it’s suddenly and irreversibly here. The problems it raises - alignment, geopolitics, lack of societal safeguards - are all real, and happening now (just replace “AGI” with “corpo…
Whatever the future is, it is not American, not the United States. The US's cultural individualism has been Capitalistically weaponized, and the educational foundation to take the country forward is not there. The US is kaput, and we are merely observing the ugly demise. The future is Asia, with all of western culture going down. Yes, it is not pretty, The failed experiment of American self rule.