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Re: AI 2027

#271
Nice LARP lmao 2GW is like 1 datacenter and I doubt you even have that. >lesswrong No wonder the comments are all nonsense. Go to a bar and try and talk about anying.

Re: AI 2027

#272

how am I supposed to take articles like this seriously when they say absolutely false bullshit like this > the AIs can do everything taught by a CS degree no, they fucking can't. not at all. not even close. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Does anyone really think this? Why have I not seen -any- complete software created via vibe coding yet?

Lesswrong brigade. They are all dropout philosophers just ignore them.

Re: AI 2027

#273
post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's obviously not true. Before OpenAI blew the field open, multiple labs -- e.g. Google -- were intentionally holding back their research from the public eye because they thought the world was not ready. Investors were not pouring billions into capabilities. China did not particularly care to focus on this one research area, among many, that the US is still solidly ahead in. The only reason timelines are as short…

The simplicity of the statement "If we don't do it, someone else will." and thinking behind it eventually means someone will do just that unless otherwise prevented by some regulatory function. Simply put, with the ever increasing hardware speeds we were dumping out for other purposes this day would have come sooner than later. We're talking about only a year or two really.

But every time, it doesn't have to happen yet. And when you're talking about the potential deaths of millions, or billions, why be the one who spawns the seed of destruction in their own home country? Why not give human brotherhood a chance? People have, and do, hold back. You notice the times they don't, and the few who don't -- you forget the many, many more who do refrain from doing what's wrong.

"We have to nuke the Russians, if we don't do it first, they will"

"We have to clone humans, if we don't do it, someone else will"

"We have to annex Antarctica, if we don't do it, someone else will"

Re: AI 2027

#274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Political organization to force a stop to ongoing research? Protest outside OAI HQ? There are lots of thing we could, and many of us would , do if more people were actually convinced their life were in danger.

> Political organization to force a stop to ongoing research? Protest outside OAI HQ? Come on, be real. Do you honestly think that would make a lick of difference? Maybe , at best, delay things by a couple months. But this is a worldwide phenomenon, and humans have shown time and time again that they are not able to self organize globally. How successful do you think that political organization is going to be in slow…

Humans have shown time and time again that they are able to self-organize globally.

Nuclear deterrence -- human cloning -- bioweapon proliferation -- Antarctic neutrality -- the list goes on.

> How successful do you think that political organization is going to be in slowing China's progress?

I wish people would stop with this tired war-mongering. China was not the one who opened up this can of worms. China has never been the one pushing the edge of capabilities. Before Sam Altman decided to give ChatGPT to the world, they were actively cracking down on software companies (in favor of hardware & "concrete" production).

We, the US, are the ones who chose to do this. We started the race. We put the world, all of humanity, on this path.

> Do you honestly think that would make a lick of difference?

I don't know, it depends. Perhaps we're lucky and the timelines are slow enough that 20-30% of the population loses their jobs before things become unrecoverable. Tech companies used to warn people not to wear their badges in public in San Francisco -- and that was what, 2020? Would you really want to work at "Human Replacer, Inc." when that means walking out and about among a population who you know hates you, viscerally? Or if we make it to 2028 in the same condition. The Bonus Army was bad enough -- how confident are you that the government would stand their ground, keep letting these labs advance capabilities, when their electoral necks were on the line?

This defeatism is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The people have the power to make things happen, and rhetoric like this is the most powerful thing holding them back.

Re: AI 2027

#275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure 5 years: AI coding assistants are a lot better than they are now, but still can't actually replace junior engineers (at least ones that aren't shit). AI fraud is rampant, with faked audio commonplace. Some companies try replacing call centres with AI, but it doesn't really work and everyone hates it. Tesla's robotaxi won't be available, but Waymo will be in most major US cities. 10 years: AI assistants are now u…

We are going to scale up GPT4 by a factor of ~10,000 and that will result in getting an accurate summary of your daily schedule?

If we’re lucky.

Re: AI 2027

#276
post #13

> "OpenBrain (the leading US AI project) builds AI agents that are good enough to dramatically accelerate their research. The humans, who up until very recently had been the best AI researchers on the planet, sit back and watch the AIs do their jobs, making better and better AI systems." I'm not sure what gives the authors the confidence to predict such statements. Wishful thinking? Worst-case paranoia? I agree that…

It's my belief (and I'm far from the only person who thinks this) that many AI optimists are motivated by an essentially religious belief that you could call Singularitarianism. So "wishful thinking" would be one answer. This document would then be the rough equivalent of a Christian fundamentalist outlining, on the basis of tangentially related news stories, how the Second Coming will come to pass in the next few ye…

Spot on, see the 2017 article "God in the machine: my strange journey into transhumanism" about that dynamic:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/18/god-in-th...

Re: AI 2027

#277

Why are the biggest AI predictions always made by people who aren't deep in the tech side of it? Or actually trying to use the models day-to-day...

Daniel Kokotajlo released the (excellent) 2021 forecast. He was then hired by OpenAI, and not at liberty to speak freely, until he quit in 2024. He's part of the team making this forecast. The others include: Eli Lifland, a superforecaster who is ranked first on RAND’s Forecasting initiative. You can read more about him and his forecasting team here. He cofounded and advises AI Digest and co-created TextAttack, an ad…

this sounds like a bunch of people who make a living _talking_ about the technology, which lends them close to 0 credibility.

Re: AI 2027

#278
post #5

Ok, I'll bite. I predict that everything in this article is horse manure. AGI will not happen. LLMs will be tools, that can automate away stuff, like today and they will get slightly, or quite a bit better at it. That will be all. See you in two years, I'm excited what will be the truth.

I’m also unafraid to say it’s BS. I don’t even want to call it scifi. It’s propaganda.

Re: AI 2027

#279
It’s good science fiction, I’ll give it that. I think getting lost in the weeds over technicalities ignores the crux of the narrative: even if this doesn’t lead to AGI, at the very least it’s likely the final “warning shot” we’ll get before it’s suddenly and irreversibly here.

The problems it raises - alignment, geopolitics, lack of societal safeguards - are all real, and happening now (just replace “AGI” with “corporations”, and voila, you have a story about the climate crisis and regulatory capture). We should be solving these problems before AGI or job-replacing AI becomes commonplace, lest we run the very real risk of societal collapse or species extinction.

The point of these stories is to incite alarm, because they’re trying to provoke proactive responses while time is on our side, instead of trusting self-interested individuals in times of great crisis.

Re: AI 2027

#280
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like that the "slowdown" scenario has by 2030 we have a robot economy, cure for aging, brain uploading, and are working on a Dyson Sphere.

The story is very clearly modeled to follow the exponential curve they show. Like the drew the curve out into the shape they wanted, put some milestones on it, and then went to work imagining what would happen if it continued with a heavy dose of X-risk doomerism to keep it spicy. It conveniently ignores all of the physical constraints around things like manufacturing GPUs and scaling training networks.

https://ai-2027.com/research/compute-forecast

In section 4 they discuss their projections specifically for model size, the state of inference chips in 2027, etc. It's largely pretty in line with expectations in terms of the capacity, and they only project them using 10k of their latest gen wafer scale inference chips by late 2027, roughly like 1M H100 equivalents. That doesn't seem at all impossible. They also earlier on discuss expectations for growth in efficiency of chips, and for growth in spending, which is only ~10x over the next 2.5 years, not unreasonable in absolute terms at all given the many tens of billions of dollars flooding in.

So on the "can we train the AI" front, they mostly are just projecting 2.5 years of the growth in scale we've been seeing.

The reason they predict a fairly hard takeoff is they expect that distillation, some algorithmic improvements, and iterated creation of synthetic data, training, and then making more synthetic data will enable significant improvements in efficiency of the underlying models (something still largely in line with developments over the last 2 years). In particular they expect a 10T parameter model in early 2027 to be basically human equivalent, and they expect it to "think" at about the rate humans do, 10 words/second. That would require ~300 teraflops of compute per second to think at that rate, or ~0.1H100e. That means one of their inference chips could potentially run ~1000 copies (or fewer copies faster etc. etc.) and thus they have the capacity for millions of human equivalent researchers (or 100k 40x speed researchers) in early 2027.

They further expect distillation of such models etc. to squeeze the necessary size down / more expensive models overseeing much smaller but still good models squeezing the effective amount of compute necessary, down to just 2T parameters and ~60 teraflops each, or 5000 human-equivalents per inference chip, making for up to 50M human-equivalents by late 2027.

This is probably the biggest open question and the place where the most criticism seems to me to be warranted. Their hardware timelines are pretty reasonable, but one could easily expect needing 10-100x more compute or even perhaps 1000x than they describe to achieve Nobel-winner AGI or superintelligence.

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