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Post by mcmcmc »

chrisweekly wrote: post #91
mcmcmc wrote: post #64

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So if it’s a theft machine, how is the answer to try teaching it to hide the fact that it’s stealing by changing its outputs? That’s like a student plagiarizing an essay and then swapping some words with a thesaurus pretending that changes anything. Wouldn’t the more appropriate solution in the case of theft be to remunerate the victims and prevent recidivism? Instead of making it “not so obviously bad” why not just……

(below is my shallow res, maybe naive?) That might inject a ton of $ into "IP", doing further damage to the creative commons. How can we support remix culture for humans, while staving off ultimately-destructive AI slop? Maybe copyleft / creative-commons licenses w/ explicit anti-AI prohibitions? Tho that could have bad ramifications too. ALL of this makes me kind of uncomfortable and sad, I want more creativity and…

> doing further damage to the creative commons

Not sure I understand this part. Because creators would be getting paid for their works being used for someone else’s commercial gain?

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Post by why_at »

Avicebron wrote: post #126
why_at wrote: post #108

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I'm honestly trying to wrap my head around the law here because copyright is often very confusing. If I ask an artist to draw me a picture of Indiana Jones and they do it would that be copyright infringement? Even if it's just for my personal use?

IANAL, but if OpenAI makes any money/commercial gains from producing a Ghibli-esque image when you ask, say you pay a subscription to OpenAI. What percentage of that subscription is owed to Ghibli for running Ghibli art through OpenAI's gristmill and providing the ability to create that image with that "vibe/style" etc. How long into perpetuity is OpenAI allowed to re-use that original art whenever their model produc…

Yeah that's fair, I'm trying to create an analogy to other services which are similar to help me understand.

If e.g. Patreon hosts an artist who will draw a picture of Indiana Jones for me on commission, then my money is going to both Patreon and the artist. Should Patreon also police their artists to prevent reproducing any copyrighted characters?

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by bawolff »

Its kind of weird how everyone is complaining about copyright infringemet in memes now.

Memes are pretty inherently derrivative. They were always someone elses work. The picard face palm meme was obviously taken from star trek. All your base is obviously from that video game. Repurposing someone else's work with new meaning is basically what a meme is. Why do we suddenly care now?

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by recursive »

kod wrote: post #125
victorbjorklund wrote: post #111

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I would 100% be allowed to draw an image of Indiana Jones in illustrator. There is no law against me drawing his likeness.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_protection_for_ficti... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights#United_Stat...

Copyright protection doesn't prevent an illustrator from drawing the thing.

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

echoangle wrote: post #107
dgunay wrote: post #101

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I think the point is that for a lot of them there are endless possible alternatives to the character design, but it still generates one with the exact same design. Why can't, for example, the image of Tomb Raider have a different colored tank top? Why is she wearing a tank top and not a shirt? Why does she have to have a gun? Why is she a busty, attractive brunette? These are all things that could be different but th…

And how is that bad or surprising? It’s actually what I would expect from how AI works.

Exactly. We designed systems that work on attention and inference… and then surprised that it returns popular results?

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by bawolff »

kod wrote: post #125
victorbjorklund wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would 100% be allowed to draw an image of Indiana Jones in illustrator. There is no law against me drawing his likeness.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_protection_for_ficti... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights#United_Stat...

I don't think those links support the point you are trying to make (i assume you are disagreeing with parent). Copyright law is a lot more complex then just a binary, and fictional characters certainly don't enjoy personality rights.

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Post by mlsu »

I was really hoping that the conversation around AI art would at least be partially centered on the perhaps now dated "2008 pirate party" idea that intellectual property, the royalty system, the draconian copyright laws that we have today are deeply silly, rooted in a fiction, and used over and over again, primarily by the rich and powerful, to stifle original ideas and hold back cultural innovation.

Unfortunately, it's just the opposite. It seems most people have fully assimilated the idea that information itself must be entirely subsumed into an oppressive, proprietary, commercial apparatus. That Disney Corp can prevent you from viewing some collection of pixels, because THEY own it, and they know better than you do about the culture and communication that you are and are not allowed to experience.

It's just baffling. If they could, Disney would scan your brain to charge you a nickel every time you thought of Mickey Mouse.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by bawolff »

pier25 wrote: post #114
victorbjorklund wrote: post #111

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I would 100% be allowed to draw an image of Indiana Jones in illustrator. There is no law against me drawing his likeness.

No, you aren't allowed to monetize an image of Indiana Jones even if you made it yourself.

That depends. There are situations where you are. Satire in particular would be a common one, but there can be others.

Rules around copyright (esp. Fair use) can be very context dependent.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by crazygringo »

I'm fascinated by the fact that the images are almost right, but never totally.

Harrison Ford's head is way too big for his body. Same with Alicia Vikander's and Daniel Craig's too. Daniel Craig is way too young too. Bruce Willis's just looks fake, and he's holding his lighter in the opposite hand from the famous photo.

So it's not reproducing any actual copyrighted images directly. It's more like an artist trying to paint from memory. Which seems like an important distinction.

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Post by moolcool »

airstrike wrote: post #93
jauntywundrkind wrote: post #45

Obviously a horrible hideous theft machine. One thing I would say, it's interesting to consider what would make this not so obviously bad. Like, we could ask AI to assess the physical attributes of the characters it generated. Then ask it to permute some of those attributes. Generate some random tweaks: ok but brawy, short, and a different descent. Do similarly on some clothing colors. Change the game. Hit the "rando…

Can we not call it "theft"? It's such a loaded term and doesn't really mean the same thing when we're talking about bits and bytes.

OK, but then we need a common standard. If Facebook is allowed to use libgen, I should also be allowed.
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