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Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by Tade0 »

M95D wrote: post #360
Tade0 wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed! I was not aware of that as I have the 16, which doesn't feature it. Community forum posts from 2021 suggest they sort of forgot to include this information initially. It so happens that the audio jack in my previous laptop started getting loose after four years, which was a first, as usually it was the USB ports which would go, so having it as an expansion card was a major selling point for me. This really is…

As I said, I never saw the FW16 except in pictures and everything I know about it was from the net. I might be wrong about some of the things I wrote. So, does it really have a headphones jack or not? My X60T headphones jack only recently started to cause troubles after many many years of use, but it was an easy fix: drill 3 tiny holes in the connector casing and push a needle through each one to bend the contacts ti…

The F13 has it, the FW16 does not.

Anyway, I'd rather just disassemble the expansion card and solder in a new port should this ever come to pass, as it's just a question of undoing two screws:

https://community.frame.work/t/whats-inside-the-audio-expans...

Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by porphyra »

M95D wrote: post #224
CursedSilicon wrote: post #6

I wish that Framework could attain the same lofty levels of "second hand market success" that ThinkPads enjoy. A lot of the "Thinkpad fans" I've talked to genuinely want them, or respect them for similar reasons they enjoy the ThinkPad legacy. ThinkPads are durable but every day they get older, slower and more difficult to source parts for as collectors entrench themselves and the requirements of operating systems (a…

Let me say from the start that I only saw Framework laptops in pictures and I still have my old Lenovo X60 Tablet. I hate Framework laptops' design. They went to the extreme of repairability but only as a marketing tool, while the products are still e-waste trash. I looked at Framework 13 laptop as a replacement for my X60 Tablet. Let me do a comparison between them: - FW13 battery swap needs dissasembly. Can't do it…

> FW13 battery swap needs dissasembly. Can't do it while on a train/bus/airplane.

> X60 battery is removed by 2 spring latches on the back

Yeah but the FW13 battery also lasts several times more than the battery life you get out of swapping two or three X60 batteries on the train.

Also, VGA out is useless in this day and age and USB-C is not only robust but also way faster and more capable.

Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by numpad0 »

huslage wrote: post #376
CursedSilicon wrote: post #6

I wish that Framework could attain the same lofty levels of "second hand market success" that ThinkPads enjoy. A lot of the "Thinkpad fans" I've talked to genuinely want them, or respect them for similar reasons they enjoy the ThinkPad legacy. ThinkPads are durable but every day they get older, slower and more difficult to source parts for as collectors entrench themselves and the requirements of operating systems (a…

Framework laptops aren't really repairable in the same way that old Thinkpads are. Maybe that's good, maybe not, but replacing an entire motherboard every 3 years isn't all that different from replacing an entire computer really.

Wait, are you saying they don't offer the full HMMs and FRU list like IBM/Lenovo did/does for ThinkPads?????

IBM HMMs, or creatively named Hardware Maintenance Manuals, were written so that if all steps in the document were performed from start to end as written, the laptop would be a pile of FRUs or Field Replacement Units, so that those FRUs can be inspected, discarded, ordered, and replaced, and then the process can be done in reverse to produce a working unit.

Why - I mean I think I know why - they likely don't have enough control and/or influence over parts suppliers to be able to publicly expose those data unlike the Big Blue - but why...

0: https://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/...

1: https://thinkpads.com/support/hmm/hmm_pdf/42x3550_04.pdf

Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by globular-toast »

NullPrefix wrote: post #222
globular-toast wrote: post #107

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Sad but true. Most people don't do much with the things they own, even if they can. Cars get serviced when they are told to, by someone else. No modifications are done. It's a weird thing to me because you get the downsides of ownership (liability for servicing and repairs) but none of the upsides. I wish more people took direct control over their lives. But many are just happy to not think and put up with whatever t…

>Cars [...] No modifications are done In a lot of places that is highly illegal

Really? Where? In the UK it's legal as long as it still passes MOT, but it should be declared to your insurer.

Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by porphyra »

quailfarmer wrote: post #79

The tightness of hardware integration isn't a bug, it's genuinely a feature; In fact, it's the defining feature that makes Apple hardware great. Socketed RAM, CPU, and Storage just weren't worth the tradeoffs, namely size, weight, cost, and performance. Including those modular interfaces just wasn't worth it when the internal interfaces would be obsolete within 5 years, and the average user was replacing sub-componen…

The physical socket also introduces a new point of failure. In the olden days there was often "ram was bad but taking it out and reseating it in the socket fixed it", which can be avoided by just having it be on the same physical chip.

Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by eggy »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #271
johnisgood wrote: post #203

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That sounds even more plausible.

Wasn't there at least one movie, where that was not a good thing?

Seveneves by Neal Stephenson was a good book that goes into what happens when things change between the Earth and Moon.

Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by jajuuka »

I mean I know people who are still using 2010 MacBook Pro's with modern macOS versions. Just about any problem is fixable, it just depends on your skill level or how much money you wanna put into it. Another reminder to use whatever computer you want. All it has to be is the best for you.

Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by umbra07 »

Malcolmlisk wrote: post #118
umbra07 wrote: post #111

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Someone on the subreddit was talking about how they plan to make a high-end carbon fiber chassis for the 13. That was a few weeks ago - I don't believe they've posted anything since their initial post.

As a 13 owner (only thinkpad 13, nobody talks about it but I think is one of the best pieces of hardware I have ever owned) this would be fantastic. I would love to have my 13 for life. I don't know if my 13 is able to be upgraded like a desktop PC like other thinkpads, but adding a carbon fiber chassis would be like fresh air.

My comment was referencing the Framework 13, not the ThinkPad :)

Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by bentt »

I just replaced the seat back on my 2005 Aeron chair as well. Feels good to take an old thing and make it feel new. These kinds of opportunities need to be designed into products, but maybe even more importantly, people need to value those design choices so much that they'll pay more for these types of things.
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