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Dude, Where's My Job?

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Re: Dude, Where's My Job?

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post #8

So sick of crap like this. I'm Gen-X and very much remember being called whiny and entitled. We were neither -- no more than any 20-somethings have ever been.

well you know why that is. A) everybody young seems whiny and entitled to people slightly older, when they first enter the workforce B) generational differences were incredibly important forty years ago and bullshit artists can still build whole careers pontificating about them

Re: Dude, Where's My Job?

#42
post #15

Same as it ever was. I narrowly miss the Gen Y cut-off, but was popular to bag on my generation's failings when we were first entering the workforce. Whatever. (Aside: You don't even need a Kindle to spot this author's crutch words. Am I the only one who thought the repeated use of "cohort" was unusual? Dude, where's your thesaurus?)

The word "cohort" is a technical term in demographic studies, and the correct word for the article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohort_(statistics)

Touché. That'll teach me to only read the first few definitions (http://dictionary.reference.com/dic?q=cohort)

I see it now, all the way down at number 5! Everything they said about my generation was true. :)

Here's an amusing coincidence. I was a student at JJ Hill Elementary school in St. Paul, MN in the late 80s. This was the gifted/talented magnet back then, I don't know if it still is. I see you're affiliated with Minnesota's gifted/talented educational program. Can I somehow blame you for my inability to read all the way to the fifth definition? :)

Re: Dude, Where's My Job?

#43
post #18
post #12

So, what makes Gen Y the most entitled generation ever? I'd argue that title goes to the Baby Boomer generation (at least for the time being). They're the generation that decided that, while their parents paid for their education, kids should really pay for theirs (paying for zero educations in their lifetime while each other generation will pay for 1). They're the generation that has decided anything that costs mone…

> the only industrialized nation not bombed out by WWII Switzerland anyone?

Watches and chocolate does not make an industrialized nation.

;)

Re: Dude, Where's My Job?

#44
post #18
post #12

So, what makes Gen Y the most entitled generation ever? I'd argue that title goes to the Baby Boomer generation (at least for the time being). They're the generation that decided that, while their parents paid for their education, kids should really pay for theirs (paying for zero educations in their lifetime while each other generation will pay for 1). They're the generation that has decided anything that costs mone…

> the only industrialized nation not bombed out by WWII Switzerland anyone?

Australia. (If you don't count Pearl Harbour, then we wont count Darwin).

Re: Dude, Where's My Job?

#45
post #25

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What happens when deprecated purveyors of old technology get hit with web 2.0 and 3.0? The answer is they get replaced. By the same Gen Y they so despise. That's not really true tho'. The skills of uploading a video to YouTube or making a website with PHP are insignificant compared to inventing TCP and wiring the entire planet with bandwidth. Could Gen Y bootstrap the Internet if it didn't already exist? That's an op…

That's kind of a bullshit question. Of course we could. We don't need to re-invent Internet protocols (beyond fixing the mistakes of the previous generation -- IPv4 and DNS flaws, anyone?) at this point though. Right now, it's more profitable to build on the platform we grew up with than to think about reinventing it. Programming talent and intelligence haven't suddenly declined in my generation thanks to the Interne…

That's my point. You can be all like "yeah, we're fixing the mistakes of the previous generation". Everyone has 20:20 hindsight. But there simply isn't the supporting evidence that Gen-Y has technical skills that Gen-X doesn't or can't get. Gen-Y massively underestimates how much work had to be done for them to take all this infrastructure for granted.

Re: Dude, Where's My Job?

#46
How does one manage to take people born within a range of 14 years and make sweeping generalizations about them?

Grouping people into Gen This or Generation That is astrology for sociologists.

Re: Dude, Where's My Job?

#47
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word "cohort" is a technical term in demographic studies, and the correct word for the article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohort_(statistics)

Touché. That'll teach me to only read the first few definitions ( http://dictionary.reference.com/dic?q=cohort ) I see it now, all the way down at number 5! Everything they said about my generation was true. :) Here's an amusing coincidence. I was a student at JJ Hill Elementary school in St. Paul, MN in the late 80s. This was the gifted/talented magnet back then, I don't know if it still is. I see you're affiliated…

The Gifted and Talented magnet school in St. Paul now has the name Capitol Hill. I don't know if that is a successor school to the one you remember.

In general, I'm not sure how schools have been teaching reading in specific places in the relevant generations, but I would agree with the critics who say that reading could have been better taught than it usually was in school over the last few generations.

http://www.amazon.com/Why-Johnny-Cant-Read-about/dp/00609134...

http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Read-Thinking-Learning-about...

http://www.amazon.com/Overcoming-Dyslexia-Complete-Science-B...

http://www.amazon.com/Early-Reading-Instruction-Science-Brad...

Best wishes in your continued efforts to add to your technical vocabulary. I learn new words fairly regularly here on HN.

Re: Dude, Where's My Job?

#48
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's kind of a bullshit question. Of course we could. We don't need to re-invent Internet protocols (beyond fixing the mistakes of the previous generation -- IPv4 and DNS flaws, anyone?) at this point though. Right now, it's more profitable to build on the platform we grew up with than to think about reinventing it. Programming talent and intelligence haven't suddenly declined in my generation thanks to the Interne…

That's my point. You can be all like "yeah, we're fixing the mistakes of the previous generation". Everyone has 20:20 hindsight. But there simply isn't the supporting evidence that Gen-Y has technical skills that Gen-X doesn't or can't get. Gen-Y massively underestimates how much work had to be done for them to take all this infrastructure for granted.

I think you're missing the point. I'm not saying we're more or less intelligent or capable than the last generation, nor am I blaming them for things like IPv4 (I mean really, it sure sounded like enough address).

We grew up with different tools, ideas and starting points though. To say we take the work of previous generations for granted is ridiculous. For one, it's a sweeping generalization. But what's more, it could be said about every other generation. The old saying about "standing on the shoulders of giants" rings true here. We're all building on the work of others.

Sure, there's nothing about your age that physically stops you from learning new tools or adapting to the world. If you can't adapt, it's your mindset that needs fixing.

Our world has been shaped from an early age by the Internet, and that will have profound effects on what we do with it from here on out.

Re: Dude, Where's My Job?

#49
post #39

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Every generation has its great engineering challenges. While you may have invented TCP and wired up the planet, Gen Y'ers are here inventing HSPA and wireless-ing up the planet. New technologies will always come along, and there will never be a shortage of difficult technologies to implement. To think that because you guys started this whole internet thing means there's no difficult work left to do? That's absurd.

I have a feeling that most of the real engineering that happens today (including wireless as you said) are actually depending quite a lot on the generation before Gen-Y. Gen-Y can't take credit for much of anything really. The only exception is some of the "Web 2.0" stuff.

The same argument can be made for any other generation - the real engineering that happened back in the 70s for ARPANet was actually depending quite a lot on the generation before it (transistors, dielectric research, the ENIAC and computers that came long before them)...

My point still stands: every generation has incredibly difficult engineering challenges to overcome. Yes, it all builds on top of each generation, but there's no reason to denigrate the accomplishments of one generation or another.

Re: Dude, Where's My Job?

#50
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post #19

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Tea: a drink prepared by soaking leaves in hot water Afternoon: a time after midday but before evening. HTH!

So what you're saying is that Google has banned tea in the afternoons. You're right, that was helpful.

There is a social institution in some countries where tea is consumed in the afternoon and, importantly, this comes with a societal expectation that work stops during the consumption of tea. The societal expectation is similar to the expectation in the US that most professionals are not available for productive labor between 12:00 and 1:00 because they will be eating lunch.

Thus, when an American company says they're instituting afternoon tea-times, what they mean is they are adding a break to the workday which is not typically present in American companies. When an American company which previously had afternoon tea-time eliminates it, it means that the workers have lost a socially acceptable period in which they were not expected to labor.

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