The headline only tells half the story. This guy had previously been scheduled for deportation due to sufficient evidence that linked him to MS-13. It was an administrative error that he was deported to the wrong country. Here’s a link to the court case: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69777799/abrego-garcia-...
US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back
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#122The Trump administration wants summary execution of undesirables, but there's currently no political will for that. So they dump their dragnet detainees into a hole in another country and pretend it's not possible for them to come out anymore. That's why they won't deport to countries of origin or try to get the innocent ones back. They need to maintain the illusion of an irreversible process. It's sickening.
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#123This is why due process is essential for everybody. The moment you deny it to one group, you can deny it to anyone by claiming they're in that one group.
Even if they don't use a legal process, if behaving decently they should be prepared in cases like this to say opps, our bad, we'll bring him back.
Behaving decently would actually help the objective of sending a lot of illegals home. People then might say ok to that, but this way there'll be a lot of resistance to the process.
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#124If the person was an actual US citizen, they wouldn’t be able to get them back? Now they were able to exchange an arms dealer for a pot smoking basketball player in Russia. Why can’t they do the same in Salvador?
I'm sure the US could get any of the people sent to El Salvador back if they asked. They are paying El Salvador to take and keep the people after all.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 15-30 million hearings What level of false positives are you willing to tolerate - US nationals wrongly deported? How many fatalities (including suicides) are you willing to tolerate in this process? (fairly easy to imagine hypothetical situation: lawful US national gun owner with Hispanic name is shopped to immigration by his neighbours. ICE come to his house in the middle of the night to deprive him of his rights…
He shows his id and they say sorry to disturb you sir.
Papers please, citizen.
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#126It's not an accident if the government intentionally circumvents all checks that usually would apply to cases like this and denies them due process. It's also intentional that they send these people to a prison in a different country (and for most of them not the country they are originally from) with conditions that would certainly be illegal in the US itself. This is also about more than just this single case. From…
This isn’t an accident. They said they’d do this. People voted for this. This is what some people want to happen. No one should be surprised by this. On the campaign trail Trump promised to deport 20 million people. They’re aren’t 20 million undocumented people in the US. The only way you can deport 20 million people is to deport a lot people who have no reason whatsoever to be deported.
What do you mean no reason? They have the wrong skin colour or the wrong accent or they said something derogatory about the regime, or maybe they just thought it.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Might as well be, but why blaming cis wasps for this? It's pointless bucketing of people based on, well, obviously misguided prejudice.
It makes sense if you follow the narrative arc of the country. The above people I mentioned slot right into the WASP trend of the ruling decorum of the country, even if the trend abandoned nominal white Anglo-Saxon protestants centuries ago.
It's the same reason why white supremacy is still relevant despite the color of skin being less important: it still ties into the impressive rhetorical power of colorism and the implicit introduction of "others" that allows the oppression of the general population for not being "civilized" enough, as if the word had any meaning to a person whose brain hadn't been turned to porridge by interaction with finance bros.
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#128I would like to remind the people in the us that at some point they will come for you too.
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do believe the whole concept of beyond A reasonable doubt was based upon the belief that it is better for 10 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to suffer. What is happening is a slap in the face of our foundational principles and justice system.
> I do believe the whole concept of beyond A reasonable doubt was based upon the belief that it is better for 10 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to suffer. Societies that do believe in this do not have capital punishment. It seems to me from the outside that US have different priorities. Like with school-shootings - apparently that is worth it there.
At the very least this has been a hotly contested conversation for a while in the US. I do still believe it's a founding principle of the US' legal system.
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#130Accidents like this are required in order to demonstrate the scale of the "will" behind the power. This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process. Better a guilty person go free than an innocent person sent to their long, slow, undignified death.
Guilty people go free all the time, as long as they have enough money. We live with the guilty people free.
The least the system could do is more to guarantee the innocent person being free too.