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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Its cooked everywhere. Thank the Attention Economy. All sides are trapped by in a fight over finite Attention. Its like the world war but instead of land its Views/Clicks/Likes. Since Attention is a finite non growing pool the trap is set. One day some one gets all the fish and another its someone else. Anyone who has any sense wouldn't waste any energy being part of such a stupid game cause its eventually lose lose.…

While I’m with you on attention economy I think it’s simplification of what’s going on: – we had very dysfunctional legislature for last 20+ years – quality of life is falling for majority of people This contributes to feeling of unfairness in the society which pushes authoritarian and populist ideas.

Ya sure but whats the way out? We have to go from Observations to Solutions.

Just look at how people's Attention on all sides is being exploited. If no one can remember what they were hysterical about last week, how can they be relied on to solve anything?

People are able to over night get more Attention than Billionaires and then convert that Attention to cash or influence, and its always fleeting as there is someone else around the corner about to capture Attention next.

How can such system do anything useful? I mean people are in la la land that architecture can produce results.

Why do we have central banks that decide what the interest rate is going to be?

Because the govt, banks and the rest of the market is unfit (proven throughout history) to do so.

Social Media/Attention Economy needs a similar mechanism when it comes to Attention.

We can't just go on living in a day dream that Rate at which the population's Attention is switching from one issue to another (thanks to algo's engineering for quarterly profit maximization) can just be left to Fate.

People's Attention both on Demand side and Supply side is being massively squandered more than at any time in history. Its like watching seizures in the brain. And people are like no no the system can function.

It can't. And the choice is to realize is sooner than later.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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This is a really good compilation that should make any "free-speech absolutist" reconsider their support for the current administration. In my understanding, the commonplace interpretation of the first amendment is largely due to a series of landmark cases through the early to mid-20th century. A lot of expansions were provided to the amendment that have been taken for granted since then and we are now going to see c…

> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances Read that, please. I'd consider myself a free speech absolutist and I don't really agree. I feel like most of the list falls into "bad legal takes…

> Meanwhile, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents have been detaining and trying to deport pro-Palestinian students who are legally in the United States. The administration is targeting students and academics who spoke out against Israel’s attacks on Gaza, or who were active in campus protests against U.S. support for the attacks. Secretary of State Marco Rubio told reporters Thursday that at least 300 foreign students have seen their visas revoked under President Trump, a far higher number than was previously known.

How is "deportation without a trial" not a deliberate attack on people exercising their constitutional right to free speech?

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Not really clear what this article is about. If it's about using Signal app to escape FoIA it's odd not to discuss who actually started that or use of personal servers in basements & shredding mails when caught. If it's about the leak which was inadvertent even if a sack-able offence then that's nothing to do with 1st or any amendment. If it's about free speech in general, to have any trace of integrity, objectivity…

Who invented cancel culture?

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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The current administration does not support free speech for everyone. It's actively punishing free speech. You're right -- many people who claim to support free speech really mean they favor "free speech for me, not for thee." And typically these people want to be able to say controversial things without consequence. But how people respond to speech is orthogonal to whether or not we are allowed to exercise our right…

It would be counter-intuitive if they defended the free speech of those who want to take away the free speech of others. Part of Free Speech is that it does not matter to have it if nobody hears you, maybe because your voice is drowned out by powerful media, serving the interests of the few. Therefore we need Equal Rights to free speech for everybody, especially when it comes to elections.

No it wouldn't. Part of freedom of expression is the right to express opinions of any kind. That includes the view that freedom of expression should be limited: that is a perfectly legitimate opinion.

>Therefore we need Equal Rights to free speech for everybody

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you are entitled to a publicly funded megaphone or that anyone is required to listen to you.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Not really clear what this article is about. If it's about using Signal app to escape FoIA it's odd not to discuss who actually started that or use of personal servers in basements & shredding mails when caught. If it's about the leak which was inadvertent even if a sack-able offence then that's nothing to do with 1st or any amendment. If it's about free speech in general, to have any trace of integrity, objectivity…

Increadible that "but what about her emails" is still the only defense for sending military secrets over a non secure line to a journalist

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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We should treat the Free Palestine and Tesla protesters the same way J6 protesters were treated. Throw them in prison until the next Democrat president pardons them.

J6 wasn't a protest

I agree. Anybody who supports pardoning the J6 terrorists is obviously NOT supporting free speech because they support people who used violence to silence speech in congress.

When somebody uses violence it is not free speech it is suppression of free speech. You can't really speak freely when somebody hits you with a flagpole or pepperspray. Or even just threatens you with violence.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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I don't really care, tbh. There are better rights to fight for: food, shelter, education, healthcare. If said freedom of speech had been to be used to fight for materially meaningful rights, I'd be a big fan. Most Americans never bothered to use the right in any way that improved this country. You don't use it, you lose it. As it stands most people associate it with the right to behave like a dick in public.

Free speech should be considered a non-negotiable human right. You can't just trade those off against each other. The distinction into "materially meaningful" rights in my opinion just shows how easily both types of rights are taken for granted until noticeably revoked.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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As a wise man once said, there may not be anybody you are excited to vote for , but there is almost certainly somebody you would like to vote against .

I'd rather have more than 2 parties. You can vote against people. To me that's a tacit admission that you're accepting the proffer. As there's no way on your vote to indicate that it's a vote of protest vs. a vote of support. The candidate you vote for will see no difference. You'll have reduced your already meager position even further. I do not accept this. I mean if you want to get into the anti-democratic nature…

What if you could cast a negative vote?

That is, you could either vote for one candidate, or against one candidate.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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I find it remarkable that Americans are ok with rule by executive order instead of rule by congressional law. I also find it fascinating that no federal judge has held any Trump administration officers in contempt or imposed sanctions/bans on officers who are continuously hurting constitutional rights. I assume that Americans have been sleeping at the wheel, unaware of the threat of slide into fascism. But is the vot…

I think one of the problems we face here is effective protesting. Imagine you live in Spain and have to travel to Africa to protest. The US is big and it's hard for us to get into one spot. We can protest at our state capitols, sure, but that's not as effective as traveling to DC which is basically out of the question for the majority of the country.
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