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Chimpanzees act as 'engineers', choosing materials to make tools

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Re: Chimpanzees act as 'engineers', choosing materials to make tools

#31

Damn we gotta ante up, if they're taking away my title of engineer and giving it to chimps, guess I'll just find a job where they can issue me "Doctor" job title. "Doctor and Principal Cybersecurity Engineer" sounds good.

Really coding is more about trying to reason about overly-complex systems that you don’t fully understand for the most part. Legacy cruft with non-obvious dependencies. Poor designs. So, “code doctors” sorta works. Or “code lawyers.”

Re: Chimpanzees act as 'engineers', choosing materials to make tools

#32

Damn we gotta ante up, if they're taking away my title of engineer and giving it to chimps, guess I'll just find a job where they can issue me "Doctor" job title. "Doctor and Principal Cybersecurity Engineer" sounds good.

There are no "they", it's all "we"

Yikes, I've been really slacking on my raises

Re: Chimpanzees act as 'engineers', choosing materials to make tools

#33

Up next, a story about how ants act as 'engineers' - choosing soft-enough-to-dig ground, that is not waterlogged, to build their nests. After that, maybe a story about plant 'engineers', growing toward the sun.

> A multidisciplinary team of researchers from the School of Anthropology and Museum Ethnography at the University of Oxford, the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, the Jane Goodall Institute in Tanzania, the University of Algarve and the University of Porto in Portugal, and the University of Leipzig, so, i have a question; do you think the team of researchers above have no idea what they're doing? t…

In the researchers’ publication, they didn’t substantiate the claim that chimpanzees are doing engineering (actually they didn’t even define what engineering is or why it would be significant if the chimpanzees were doing it). They document some interesting tool-making behavior, that the chimpanzees are somewhat picky about the material properties of the sticks they use to catch ants.

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I thought this would be more relatable, like, "chimpanzee engineers found pretending to managers about estimates, chimpanzee managers found pretending to listen".

"Chimpanzees record their goals in four domains aligned with company values as part of a mandatory HR exercise."

Re: Chimpanzees act as 'engineers', choosing materials to make tools

#35
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Chimpanzee closes Jira ticket, with acceptance criteria met but product not functional.”

“Chimpanzee ticks unmet acceptance criteria and closes ticket, knowing those with power don’t care and those who care don’t have power.”

"Chimpanzee vocalizations found to be inversely proportional to productivity and directly proportional to time spent in meetings about lack of productivity"

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post #34
post #3

I thought this would be more relatable, like, "chimpanzee engineers found pretending to managers about estimates, chimpanzee managers found pretending to listen".

"Chimpanzees record their goals in four domains aligned with company values as part of a mandatory HR exercise."

"Chimpanzees stare into mirror and mistake reflection for AGI. Chimp Altman says we just need to invest 7 trillion bananas into a bigger mirror."

Re: Chimpanzees act as 'engineers', choosing materials to make tools

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A multidisciplinary team of researchers from the School of Anthropology and Museum Ethnography at the University of Oxford, the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, the Jane Goodall Institute in Tanzania, the University of Algarve and the University of Porto in Portugal, and the University of Leipzig, so, i have a question; do you think the team of researchers above have no idea what they're doing? t…

In the researchers’ publication, they didn’t substantiate the claim that chimpanzees are doing engineering (actually they didn’t even define what engineering is or why it would be significant if the chimpanzees were doing it). They document some interesting tool-making behavior, that the chimpanzees are somewhat picky about the material properties of the sticks they use to catch ants.

am I taking crazy pills?

the researchers' publication[1] is literally called: "Engineering skills in the manufacture of tools by wild chimpanzees"

Literally "Engineering skills".

The graphical abstract:

https://www.cell.com/cms/10.1016/j.isci.2025.112158/asset/0e...

> "Chimpanzees show a degree of engineering acumen in the selection of plant materials for toolmaking."

> engineering acumen

[1] https://www.cell.com/iscience/fulltext/S2589-0042(25)00419-5

Re: Chimpanzees act as 'engineers', choosing materials to make tools

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because there's no liability. In my country you need liability insurance to be an engineer.

In the US we have the concept of a Professional Engineering license, but most people who get engineering degrees don’t end up needing one. Around here is it more like… you need a license for your signature to mean anything while surveying land, or something like that.

In my country you can't promote yourself as an engineer unless you have a license. You also technically can't have a job title with engineer in it but that's not really enforced.
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