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Chimpanzees act as 'engineers', choosing materials to make tools

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Re: Chimpanzees act as 'engineers', choosing materials to make tools

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Post by HPsquared »

weard_beard wrote: post #19
KineticLensman wrote: post #4

fruits: lower, tastier, juicier. Choose two

The ones on the higher branches are for crows to pluck. Maybe a few of the best will fall when a storm comes but by and large these rot in the sun. It’s strange how much animals love fruit. All fruit.

Fruit loves animals. That's why it makes itself so tasty, bright-coloured and so on.

Re: Chimpanzees act as 'engineers', choosing materials to make tools

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Post by yyyk »

upghost wrote: post #3

I thought this would be more relatable, like, "chimpanzee engineers found pretending to managers about estimates, chimpanzee managers found pretending to listen".

These fellows have all the juicy (chimpanzee) office gossip:

https://web.archive.org/web/20181204052813/https://www.newte...

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Post by metalman »

bell-cot wrote: post #13

Up next, a story about how ants act as 'engineers' - choosing soft-enough-to-dig ground, that is not waterlogged, to build their nests. After that, maybe a story about plant 'engineers', growing toward the sun.

ok, here is something like that I watch my horse, choose to roll,in rub over, and generaly luxurate in bayberry shrubs, which are very aromatic,and pay by bieng reduced to kindling other surviving bayberry bushes, that were used by early european's in Canada for the wax coating of the "berrys" in candle making, are used by birds as food, the berrys ripen in late fall.....just before the song birds migrate, all of the berrys vanishing over 2 days, the high energy wax coating, providing a strong start to an arduous trip, and a free long range dispersment for the long suffering bayberrys......which I have used the self same leaves as flavoring in food everything is working a "plan" man, all part of a vast,ancient,intricate,fusion powered, network, we and all we do is just a side hussle for nature and here in Canada, the term "engineer" is legaly exclusive to the guys with the iron rings, or the few with the stripy hats

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Post by bee_rider »

bobsmooth wrote: post #17
Avicebron wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's more that we don't follow ethical rules or something

It's because there's no liability. In my country you need liability insurance to be an engineer.

In the US we have the concept of a Professional Engineering license, but most people who get engineering degrees don’t end up needing one. Around here is it more like… you need a license for your signature to mean anything while surveying land, or something like that.

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Post by gsf_emergency_2 »

amelius wrote: post #5

Yes but they make a lot of fuzzy decisions, so they are better compared with e.g. alchemists or deep learning researchers.

Here is an ape adjusting the recording camera on her own

https://youtu.be/dHmRLpNQBJU&t=39s

Also https://youtu.be/dHmRLpNQBJU&t=26s

Re: Chimpanzees act as 'engineers', choosing materials to make tools

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Post by GeoAtreides »

bell-cot wrote: post #13

Up next, a story about how ants act as 'engineers' - choosing soft-enough-to-dig ground, that is not waterlogged, to build their nests. After that, maybe a story about plant 'engineers', growing toward the sun.

> A multidisciplinary team of researchers from the School of Anthropology and Museum Ethnography at the University of Oxford, the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, the Jane Goodall Institute in Tanzania, the University of Algarve and the University of Porto in Portugal, and the University of Leipzig,

so, i have a question; do you think the team of researchers above have no idea what they're doing? these are the people that studied and published the posted research. Do their credentials mean nothing to you?

i so despise this kind of drive-by comments, that just react to the title without reading the article, without being curious at all, empty snarkiness just for a bit of extra karma points. And in the process casting doubt and derisiveness on the scientific process and on the people that dedicate their life to extending human knowledge.

Re: Chimpanzees act as 'engineers', choosing materials to make tools

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Post by HPsquared »

Avicebron wrote: post #15

Damn we gotta ante up, if they're taking away my title of engineer and giving it to chimps, guess I'll just find a job where they can issue me "Doctor" job title. "Doctor and Principal Cybersecurity Engineer" sounds good.

First time?

Re: Chimpanzees act as 'engineers', choosing materials to make tools

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Post by Aperocky »

Avicebron wrote: post #15

Damn we gotta ante up, if they're taking away my title of engineer and giving it to chimps, guess I'll just find a job where they can issue me "Doctor" job title. "Doctor and Principal Cybersecurity Engineer" sounds good.

There are no "they", it's all "we"

Re: Chimpanzees act as 'engineers', choosing materials to make tools

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Post by gridder »

HPsquared wrote: post #21
weard_beard wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ones on the higher branches are for crows to pluck. Maybe a few of the best will fall when a storm comes but by and large these rot in the sun. It’s strange how much animals love fruit. All fruit.

Fruit loves animals. That's why it makes itself so tasty, bright-coloured and so on.

The Oriental Persimmon tastes a lot worse if the seed is not good, the good ones are less bitter and more orange than yellow. Unlike other fruits this is not related to its level of ripeness.
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