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Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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Post by hatthew »

WD-42 wrote: post #52
glenstein wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it's bald -faced lie but I wouldn't disagree that it's bold. The idea that you need to confirm you're connected to the internet and that creating a Microsoft account is merely for that purpose is preposterous on its face. Not that I was ever a regular on windows, but I think I've at least found there to be a necessity to be on windows for certain desirable games or for PC apps. So I've always kind of recognized…

I'm with you. The very few games I play work great on Linux. As a professional dev, there's absolutely no reason to choose Windows (or any OS, for that matter) over Desktop Linux at this point. I'm convinced Windows is mainly for people that buy computers at Best Buy and corporate IT that are unfortunately funneled into the ecosystem (hats off salute to all you).

I do all my development work on linux. I have a self-hosted linux server. I used ubuntu as my main desktop computer OS for a full year, and in that time I struggled with compatibility issues, games that wouldn't run as well as people said they would, driver update issues, necessary tools that simply don't exist on linux, and various configuration failures that simply don't exist on windows. Saying that you can game on linux is like saying you can host a web server on windows. Sure, it's technically possible, and for some things it works smoothly. But 99% of resources on the web assume that you're on the normal OS, and as soon as you try to do anything even slightly outside of the basics, you're going to run into trouble.

Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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Post by gavinhoward »

WD-42 wrote: post #56
gavinhoward wrote: post #50

So I have Windows 10, and I was not looking forward to the "upgrade" to 11 at 10's EOL because of the TPM requirement. With this change, I have decided to accept the insecurity of not updating and stick with 10. The only thing I do on Windows is ensure my FOSS is cross-platform.

Have you tried using a VM? That's what I do when I want to test cross platform. The benefit being you can just re-create it whenever it starts to harass you about license keys or whatever.

I bought this Windows 10 key long ago, so no license key harassment.

Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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Post by 3np »

rvba wrote: post #47

Windows 11 taskbar has space... for 11 icons when run on a laptop screen. This is killing my (and maaaany others) productivity since in some jobs you constantly need to switch between multiple windows. Yea, extrnal programs exist, but they can br buggy, cost extra money on top... and good luck installing them on a coporate computer. Ive seen like 20-30 people with the same problem: taskbar being useless. Windows 11 i…

And yet you're on Windows. Switch. Windows will get worse before it can get better. Try KDE on Fedora, for example.

Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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Post by rvba »

MiguelX413 wrote: post #73
rvba wrote: post #47

Windows 11 taskbar has space... for 11 icons when run on a laptop screen. This is killing my (and maaaany others) productivity since in some jobs you constantly need to switch between multiple windows. Yea, extrnal programs exist, but they can br buggy, cost extra money on top... and good luck installing them on a coporate computer. Ive seen like 20-30 people with the same problem: taskbar being useless. Windows 11 i…

That's what alt+tab is for

When you need to move between windows all the time it isnt.

Also that stuff worked correctly in windows 10 (and 7 and XP...) and was just removed.

Why? To cut costs? It kills corporate productivity...

Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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Post by Spivak »

mapcars wrote: post #39
MarkusWandel wrote: post #33

Last time I activated a Windows 11 system, I had already entered my Wifi credentials, and then couldn't find any way out of the online account trap. Eventually backed out far enough, deleted my wifi credentials again, forward again and created a local account. Have they closed that loophole too, i.e you can't activate it at all without cloud connectivity? Another question, once you've activated it with an online acco…

I think its enough to disconnect your wifi/router and installer will give you an option to proceed without internet.

Unless something changed really recently that loophole has been fixed for a minute. I had to use the bypassnro because being off wi-fi wasn't enough.

Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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Post by eska »

MarkusWandel wrote: post #37

Oh, another M$ account creation trick. When they discontinued Skype they said you could just log into Teams with your Skype credentials. Not so! That just forces you to enter an email address (that's not already associated with a M$ account) and guess what.. now you have ANOTHER M$ account. After this the Skype credentials are invalidated.

Nvidia does the same thing for their geforce experience tool. For a tool that shouldn’t require an account. Bait and switch.

Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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Post by 4oo4 »

tapoxi wrote: post #26

I have a recent (2024) Gigabyte AMD motherboard and Windows 11 refuses to recognize the Ethernet NIC or onboard wifi. I can't load the drivers during setup either because they're .exe installers and it wants .inf files or something. I got mad and installed Fedora Kinoite, which somehow just worked out of the box. My games all worked too. I've been mulling over installing a Windows partition for the inevitable game wi…

Have you tried opening the .exe with 7-zip to see if there are .inf (and I believe .sys files that go with) that you can extract?

Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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Post by Numerlor »

rvba wrote: post #47

Windows 11 taskbar has space... for 11 icons when run on a laptop screen. This is killing my (and maaaany others) productivity since in some jobs you constantly need to switch between multiple windows. Yea, extrnal programs exist, but they can br buggy, cost extra money on top... and good luck installing them on a coporate computer. Ive seen like 20-30 people with the same problem: taskbar being useless. Windows 11 i…

I'd use multiple desktops if you have that many windows open. For the highlight it should have a different color?

Re: Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account

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Post by caseyy »

Krasnol wrote: post #64
caseyy wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft is really degrading themselves over the 0.1% of users that opted out (and however much money they didn’t manipulate out of them because of that). I’m really surprised how humiliatingly their top managers act. Surely someone who lies like this has no concern for self respect or pride.

The sad thing is that they're being respected for that in their circles. There is no need for shame. They're proud of themselves. They don't talk to people who feel the cringe, and I guess them subconsciously knowing is a reason why they don't talk to people further below them. Of course, those most successful are just numb due to specific psychological deviations from the academic norm.

I’d imagine their actions are socially isolating.
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