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Post by tptacek »

baby wrote: post #941
legitster wrote: post #15

The whole thread is WILD, and the fact that it was verified is crazy. But the actual text of the thread is horrifying: On one hand, they say they complain about "bailing out Europe". But on the other hand, they explicitly moved up the timeline so they could move before other actors and take credit. > "If the US successfully restores freedom of navigation at great cost there needs to be some further economic gain extr…

rendered: https://mimoo.github.io/houthi_signal/ what I noticed is that even at the highest level people think prayers can be effective: > JD Vance > I will say a prayer for victory

To me what's funnier is that they believe an F/A-18F Super Hornet needs divine intervention to go up against Ansar Allah's "top missile guy".

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by DonHopkins »

AStonesThrow wrote: post #946
noboostforyou wrote: post #928

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Bingo! And the sadder part is this isn't even anything new, but it's all come to a head now. “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” ― Isaac Asimov, 1980

> The strain of anti-intellectualism Perhaps part of the problem is that snooty intellectual elitists want everyone to be geopolitical geniuses and socially activist and fight for their hobby horses, when every nation, especially large ones, are in desperate need of people who mind their own business, keep their heads down, and contribute humbly to the common good. Rather than being pushed through university and havi…

Well thanks for letting everyone know that you're one of the thin skinned victim playing anti-intellectualists Asimov (and many others) were warning us about. What is the term for "virtue signaling" when you're signaling the exact opposite of virtue?

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by kasey_junk »

tptacek wrote: post #971
baby wrote: post #941

Earlier quoted context omitted.

rendered: https://mimoo.github.io/houthi_signal/ what I noticed is that even at the highest level people think prayers can be effective: > JD Vance > I will say a prayer for victory

To me what's funnier is that they believe an F/A-18F Super Hornet needs divine intervention to go up against Ansar Allah's "top missile guy".

That they use emojis…

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by LorenzoGood »

fzzzy wrote: post #277
ineedasername wrote: post #241

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Can users in a group add/invite others in? My firth though was someone doing it on the sly, to leak deliberately.

This is what I started thinking last night. Any of the people who were added to the chat could be disgruntled and add a reporter to the chat to leak it. Is there even any log of who added who to a chat? There might not even be any way to pin it on the leaker. If the leaker had been involved in several such chats and knew the intent was to intentionally violate federal recordkeeping laws, not only would this accomplis…

I don't think that new people added to group chats are able to see past messages on signal.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by tptacek »

kasey_junk wrote: post #973
tptacek wrote: post #971

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me what's funnier is that they believe an F/A-18F Super Hornet needs divine intervention to go up against Ansar Allah's "top missile guy".

That they use emojis…

On the other hand, if Robert McNamara had emojis available during the Pacific Theater campaign in WW2, I'm sure he'd have used them.

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Post by cjohnson318 »

chrisco255 wrote: post #835
adrr wrote: post #714

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Do you think they’ll get prosecuted? I am willing to bet money that congress won’t even have hearings on it.

None of what they said was actually classified, and if the conversation included the president and vice president, then they inherently decide what is and is not classified. The power of the executive branch is vested in the president.

I'm pretty sure most of it was classified, which is why they chose Signal instead of WhatsApp.

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Post by cjohnson318 »

Aeolun wrote: post #719
cjohnson318 wrote: post #665

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Why shouldn't punishment or prosecution be suggested. I've worked with classified information, and I would have been held accountable for my actions, why shouldn't they? I'm tired of this Too Important To Have Consequences business. It defeats the whole purpose of having qualifications, and security, and rules of any kind.

> I'm tired of this Too Important To Have Consequences business Sure, but short of something similar to the UH CEO, do you think anything will actually happen to them? If they’re doing this then the president presumably knows and does too. Even if they get prosecuted and convicted (after years of legal nonsense) they’d just get pardoned.

No, I don't think anything will change, but I'm still tired of it.

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Post by Projectiboga »

sethammons wrote: post #851
sureglymop wrote: post #752

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It's Republicans and Democrats. You're in this position in the first place because you have no real political diversity. It's not gonna change in that two party system either.

Vote for ranked choice voting, starting at the local levels. Grade school needs rank choice voting activities to help make it feel familiar.

I'd suggest you look at Aporoval Voting as a simpler solution than Ranked Choice. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by EasyMark »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #839

How is trump staff using signal for classified military actions different from Clinton use of private email account ? Back then he said she should be put in jail but now he is downplaying it. How can Americans take this guy seriously is beyond my mind.

Plus the stuff in those emails weren't even really dangerous to the well being of th country or military unlike if the Russians/iranians go their hand on notice of an imminent attack on the Houthis with lots of details on the attack and strikes
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