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Post by baby »

legitster wrote: post #15

The whole thread is WILD, and the fact that it was verified is crazy. But the actual text of the thread is horrifying: On one hand, they say they complain about "bailing out Europe". But on the other hand, they explicitly moved up the timeline so they could move before other actors and take credit. > "If the US successfully restores freedom of navigation at great cost there needs to be some further economic gain extr…

rendered: https://mimoo.github.io/houthi_signal/

what I noticed is that even at the highest level people think prayers can be effective:

> JD Vance

> I will say a prayer for victory

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by akudha »

somenameforme wrote: post #784
mentalgear wrote: post #761

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd recommend for Entrepreneurs, just like Scientists now do, to consider Europe as a safe-haven. In the EU the rule of law still matters.

The grass isn't always greener. I think the core underlying issue at all of this is social divides within countries. When groups of people become sufficiently antagonistic towards one another, it really enables widespread corruption because people will actively blind themselves (or handwave away) to the wrongs of "their side" and magnify the wrongs of "the other side" with no limits to the hyperbole. And Europe is mo…

The grass isn’t always greener

Like most things in life, I suppose it is all relative? Diabetes sucks, but it sure sucks less than cancer.

Of course it would be lovely if there is zero corruption, zero pollution, zero nepotism etc. Which is highly unlikely to happen?

Which brings the question - what is the best country to live, relatively speaking?

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by mikeyouse »

chrisco255 wrote: post #835
adrr wrote: post #714

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think they’ll get prosecuted? I am willing to bet money that congress won’t even have hearings on it.

None of what they said was actually classified, and if the conversation included the president and vice president, then they inherently decide what is and is not classified. The power of the executive branch is vested in the president.

This didn't age well..

1. The conversation didn't include the President. Here's the full participant list for that thread: https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:on5oeyw...

2. There was tons of classified material shared including specific flight times and weapons systems. Here's a helpful side-by-side on what operational details are by default classified as Secret: https://bsky.app/profile/secretsandlaws.bsky.social/post/3ll...

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by FeloniousHam »

mandmandam wrote: post #863
0xEF wrote: post #789

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the same boat. This whole thing is a War of Attrition, and my enemies are willing because I am getting too old and increasingly stressed out to keep up with and counter their irrationality. I honestly don't know where they get the energy to continuously be so stupid as to take classified information to a group chat, encrypted or not, like they're planning a night out. These morons are going to get American cit…

> I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that half my country said "yep, let's go with these guys" when they saw a bunch of bungling Nazis yelling at clouds like something out of Hogan's Heroes. I'm still trying to square how 98% of American voters went for candidates promising to continue arming the world's most live-streamed genocide, even with all those protests; even with all the footage we've seen. How…

> I'm still trying to square how 98% of American voters went for candidates promising to continue arming the world's most live-streamed genocide, even with all those protests; even with all the footage we've seen.

I assume you're referring to the livestreamed October 7th attacks?

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by outer_web »

timewizard wrote: post #615
outer_web wrote: post #577

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry are you claiming that the United States intelligence community is incompetent and that anyone who things otherwise is poorly educated? What are you basing this on?

Yes. History. Are you genuinely incredulous?

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Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by AStonesThrow »

noboostforyou wrote: post #928
bsenftner wrote: post #864

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The corruption is caused by their short sightedness, a total lack of critical analysis capacity to see past the surface assessment of pretty much everything. The problem in the United States is that adults are no longer adults, we manufacture immature people with simplistic world views that seriously know no better, and they have the entire Republican Party hostage, a material percentage of the Democratic Party, and…

Bingo! And the sadder part is this isn't even anything new, but it's all come to a head now. “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” ― Isaac Asimov, 1980

> The strain of anti-intellectualism

Perhaps part of the problem is that snooty intellectual elitists want everyone to be geopolitical geniuses and socially activist and fight for their hobby horses, when every nation, especially large ones, are in desperate need of people who mind their own business, keep their heads down, and contribute humbly to the common good.

Rather than being pushed through university and having technology shoved everywhere into their faces and bombarding them with messages from liars and hucksters at every step.

I honestly regret gaining knowledge about a lot of things that concern me because while “knowledge is power” it’s also known that “ignorance is bliss” because curiosity killed the cat.

If we’re a nation that stands and falls on the strength of social media disputes then perhaps it’s time to let the best bots win.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by remus »

lucb1e wrote: post #937
simonh wrote: post #513

Steve Witkoff was on the chat while he was in Russia. There’s a vulnerability in Signal where you can set up linked devices that replicate your signal messages. You can do this by just scanning a QRcode. This is known to be used by Russian hackers. What are the chances the Russians duped Witkoff into scanning a QR code while he was in Moscow?

> There’s a vulnerability in Signal where you can set up linked devices that replicate your signal messages. You mean the desktop linking feature? If that's considered a vulnerability, then so is being able to chat with someone after getting their public key unverified from an overseas server, the primary mode in which everyone uses it (including the people in this chat, evidently, since no out-of-band key exchange w…

If you're part of the US government, with access to the most sensitive information which will put people's lives at risk if compromised, then yes this is a vulnerability because "russian GRU agent nicks your phone and scans your signal QR code" is a real threat.

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Post by beefnugs »

bb88 wrote: post #523
simonh wrote: post #513

Steve Witkoff was on the chat while he was in Russia. There’s a vulnerability in Signal where you can set up linked devices that replicate your signal messages. You can do this by just scanning a QRcode. This is known to be used by Russian hackers. What are the chances the Russians duped Witkoff into scanning a QR code while he was in Moscow?

Why must a Signal attack take place only in Russia? If Russia intelligence operations can operate freely in the US, they can attack US Officials in the US as well.

Man in the middle attacks require access to the mobile or networking infrastructure (so not necessary, but much more likely and easy)

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by outer_web »

timewizard wrote: post #615
outer_web wrote: post #577

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry are you claiming that the United States intelligence community is incompetent and that anyone who things otherwise is poorly educated? What are you basing this on?

Yes. History. Are you genuinely incredulous?

"This concrete, unambiguous example contradicts my worldview so I am going to report it."

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by sharpshadow »

0x_rs wrote: post #939
sharpshadow wrote: post #936

Excuse me folks but is there any evidence that he was really in the group? Going through the reporting a couple of times it could very well be that he was never part of the group. Screenshots of the group members including him or a screen recording nowhere to see. He didn’t write anything in the group but immediately wrote each individual after he left the group. If he never was in the group and only received intel a…

The Atlantic has published the entirety of the chat logs including the members list, so yes. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43481521

Thanks that’s what I was looking for!
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