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Post by mentalgear »

Folcon wrote: post #717

I'm an external individual to the US, but I must admit that some of the sentiments being expressed here in this thread and elsewhere about the lack of accountability deeply concern me, it reminds me of many things I saw growing up and still see today in south asia. Independent of anything else, I do see the overton window shifting in the US, the most subtle of which are norms and expectations around acts of corruptio…

I'd recommend for Entrepreneurs, just like Scientists now do, to consider Europe as a safe-haven. In the EU the rule of law still matters.

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Post by nopelynopington »

serpix wrote: post #436
nopelynopington wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump has already been president and already demonstrated to us that he will not leave power peacefully. He's openly discussing serving a third term. I think it's highly unlikely that the transfer of power will happen peacefully unless 1) he dies in office (of natural causes) Or 2) the republicans win in 2028 and a different republican president is sworn in.

There are more options than this.

If you can think of more options that lead to a peaceful transfer of power, I'd love to hear them

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Post by dudefeliciano »

fpoling wrote: post #733
Folcon wrote: post #717

I'm an external individual to the US, but I must admit that some of the sentiments being expressed here in this thread and elsewhere about the lack of accountability deeply concern me, it reminds me of many things I saw growing up and still see today in south asia. Independent of anything else, I do see the overton window shifting in the US, the most subtle of which are norms and expectations around acts of corruptio…

> because this is death to entrepreneurship This does not follow. Even in highly corrupt authoritarian countries entrepreneurship can flourish. Just consider Turkey or Russia. In such places one quickly learn whom to pay with corruption payouts becoming business expenses.

Can you mention some Russian success stories to back that up?

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Post by aredox »

wernercd wrote: post #746
dyauspitr wrote: post #731

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Yes, unfortunately we’re already at that point. Republicans and their base close ranks so effectively that it’s essentially a safe haven for all sorts of corruption and serious crime. The voters won’t punish them at the ballot and they’ve essentially captured all sources of checks and balances.

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DOGE is not "an audit of the government". It is a propaganda exercise based on lies, whose only effect will be to make the government - and citizens - lose more money (for ex. see NOAA).

https://doge.muskwatch.com/

An audit would be listing and flagging items for review. What DOGE is doing is actually taking the decision of cutting stuff, without review, as retribution, to fully capture the state for the GOP and Musk.

Trump immediatly fired every inspector general as soon as he could (in violation of federal law).

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/25/trump-fires-inspectors-gene...

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Post by [deleted] »

gonzo41 wrote: post #633
egl2020 wrote: post #622

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Heck, one of my co-workers at a FAANG freaked out when he realized that he had used his personal phone to take a picture of a meeting blackboard instead of his corp phone. He spent the afternoon trying to figure out how to scrub the photo.

There is a great thread on r/army where people are listing out all the Military careers destroyed by minor mistakes that pale in comparison to this.

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Post by bigbacaloa »

mandeepj wrote: post #583
joshuamerrill wrote: post #457

I began my career in a classified environment working on government satellite programs. In my first week on the job, I was told, explicitly, that if I shared Classified or Controlled Unclassified information over unapproved channels, I would be reprimanded—likely fired, or less likely, prosecuted. It was also made clear that safeguarding the nation's secrets from the carelessness of others was my responsibility, too.…

The problem is that most of those 18 people are just random folks picked on the premise of just one qualification: THey'd be Yes Man/Woman!! They aren't career professionals. I believe that explains the mess they've created and their incompetent approach to their duties. It's still not too late to impeach that entire shack of clowns.

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Post by [deleted] »

anderber wrote: post #612
joshuamerrill wrote: post #457

I began my career in a classified environment working on government satellite programs. In my first week on the job, I was told, explicitly, that if I shared Classified or Controlled Unclassified information over unapproved channels, I would be reprimanded—likely fired, or less likely, prosecuted. It was also made clear that safeguarding the nation's secrets from the carelessness of others was my responsibility, too.…

Also, Steve Witkoff was in Moscow during the Signal text chain.

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Post by dudefeliciano »

anthomtb wrote: post #371

This hypocrisy reminds me of one of my former lead developers. He required everyone on the team to go through multi-person code reviews and pass an extensive CI suite before merging changes into our mainline. But him? Half that time he'd approve his own changes without review, the other half he would force-push and bypass the CI system entirely. He knew the system well and seemed to do enough local testing to avoid m…

At least he knew the system well, this is more akin to a bunch of junior devs writing an app by editing their code on a shared plain text file

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Post by belter »

outside1234 wrote: post #674
cjohnson318 wrote: post #665

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Why shouldn't punishment or prosecution be suggested. I've worked with classified information, and I would have been held accountable for my actions, why shouldn't they? I'm tired of this Too Important To Have Consequences business. It defeats the whole purpose of having qualifications, and security, and rules of any kind.

But have you considered that they are Billionaires and therefore can do whatever they want?

The alternative explanation, is that they have so much dirt on Trump, they can't be fired...

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Post by belter »

asteroidburger wrote: post #747
adrr wrote: post #714

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Do you think they’ll get prosecuted? I am willing to bet money that congress won’t even have hearings on it.

The Senate Intelligence Committee already held a hearing today: https://www.npr.org/2025/03/25/nx-s1-5339484/signal-war-plan...

Where the director of the Intelligence Services, refused to say, if she was participating on the Signal thread with her government issued phone, or with her personal phone...
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