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Post by inamorty »

somenameforme wrote: post #784
mentalgear wrote: post #761

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd recommend for Entrepreneurs, just like Scientists now do, to consider Europe as a safe-haven. In the EU the rule of law still matters.

The grass isn't always greener. I think the core underlying issue at all of this is social divides within countries. When groups of people become sufficiently antagonistic towards one another, it really enables widespread corruption because people will actively blind themselves (or handwave away) to the wrongs of "their side" and magnify the wrongs of "the other side" with no limits to the hyperbole. And Europe is mo…

But public perception doesn’t necessarily reflect actual levels of corruption. Having dodgy planning approved is not the same as buying a seat at the head of the government for a quarter billion dollars.

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

bsimpson wrote: post #376
atonse wrote: post #141

Setting aside the obvious shock of the actual subject, I'm going to try the herculean task of bringing this back to being a HN-related topic... My guess is that there is someone named Jeffrey Goldberg in the NatSec team (or high up, it seems like a common combination of first and last name at least), and likely that they meant to add him, rather than the EDITOR IN CHIEF of the Atlantic of all people. Could this be a…

This sounds less like a Signal problem than an information organization problem. Signal can only show what's in its datastore (your contact list). I just checked on Android - if you try to add someone to a group chat, it shows their name and profile pic. One potential Signal-side wrinkle is that it allows you to add people to a group chat who are in another chat you're in, but who aren't in your contacts list. There…

Skype solves it with an invite link. If you want to send an account, you take its invite link and send it, thus making a manual web of trust without search.

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Post by Peanuts99 »

franga2000 wrote: post #796
whiplash451 wrote: post #790

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe suffers from another kind of "corruption", more akin to a corrupted file system: absurd, rigid and unpredictable regulation makes life very hard for businesses, which drives large private capital away. I am European, and every time I open one of those stupid locked-on bottle caps, I feel pain for my country, for Europe (and for my face).

European law is a patchwork of suboptimal solutions to hard (but often self-imposed) problems. The US meanwhile doesn't try to solve them at all. Yes, the bottle caps annoy me, but if the beverage companies stuck to the much more recyclable glass bottles we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. Yes, the GDPR popups annoy me, but the law also punishes companies for being creepy exploitative bastards. If they ha…

GDPR and Cookie acceptance popups are separate regulations.

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Post by whiplash451 »

franga2000 wrote: post #796
whiplash451 wrote: post #790

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe suffers from another kind of "corruption", more akin to a corrupted file system: absurd, rigid and unpredictable regulation makes life very hard for businesses, which drives large private capital away. I am European, and every time I open one of those stupid locked-on bottle caps, I feel pain for my country, for Europe (and for my face).

European law is a patchwork of suboptimal solutions to hard (but often self-imposed) problems. The US meanwhile doesn't try to solve them at all. Yes, the bottle caps annoy me, but if the beverage companies stuck to the much more recyclable glass bottles we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. Yes, the GDPR popups annoy me, but the law also punishes companies for being creepy exploitative bastards. If they ha…

I don't dismiss the problem, I dismiss the solution.

Yes, plastic bottles (and caps) are likely a major environmental disaster.

The alternative to regulation is innovation: force bottle makers to invest x% of their profit or revenue into actual research on plastic recycling or capture.

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Post by bildung »

pembrook wrote: post #799
mentalgear wrote: post #761

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd recommend for Entrepreneurs, just like Scientists now do, to consider Europe as a safe-haven. In the EU the rule of law still matters.

Not sure how you could possibly come up with this idea — but I’d recommend not consuming hysterical media narratives and instead looking at actual data. This is a chart of globally relevant companies founded in Europe in the last 50 years: https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/s/1Fn23uYVxK The data depicts the exact opposite of what you are saying. As an entrepreneur, you can be “safe” knowing you will have far less ch…

These just compare market cap. As the US economy is disproportionally financialized, that outcome is hardly surprising: This was just measuring market financialization by proxy. I mean two of the largest on the left, Google and Meta, are essentially just ad companies.

Now compare companies by actual revenue:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_companies_in_E...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_companies_in_t...

I omitted the 50 years distinction because, unsurprisingly, the companies in the US are younger.

None of these are actually relevant for founders, however, as even in the US you only have a couple dozen large cap companies, but millions of founders.

What is relevant is the share of employers per capita, as that shows us how many founders actually exist.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.EMP.MPYR.ZS?most_rec...

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.EMP.MPYR.ZS?most_rec...

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

Zak wrote: post #477
Alupis wrote: post #444

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I don't use Signal, and am unfamiliar with the UI/UX. However, it seems more plausible to me that Jeffrey Goldberg is in someone's contact list from previous on-purpose leaks (to control narrative, etc, typical "anonymous sources say" stuff) - and was accidentally added to this group.

When adding people to a chat, it shows the contact list from the device, with avatars. It is also possible to manually enter a phone number or username. It's very likely that senior government officials have a phone with journalists saved in the contacts. It's easy to imagine why there are rules against using the same phone for secret war stuff, yet here we are.

It could be just a different profile.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

Balgair wrote: post #77

If anything, I'm a bit surprised that Jeff Goldberg burned this source. If anything, I'd suspect that he'd keep the channel open as long as he could. Or, he's got other channels that work better. All the same, I mean, wow. These guys are just morons here, there's really no other way around it. I'm trying to think of a charitable way to spin this and I've got nothing. Like, very clearly, these people are going to get…

Dunno, I was surprised how digitally literate these old dudes are to the point of writing long autistic messages in Signal, so long that the author can quote them only as "wrote a lengthy message". Even normie programmers of all people can communicate only with meat sounds.

Who complained here that email can't be replaced by messengers, because you can't write long messages there? Here's a counterexample.

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Post by lukan »

whiplash451 wrote: post #790
mentalgear wrote: post #761

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd recommend for Entrepreneurs, just like Scientists now do, to consider Europe as a safe-haven. In the EU the rule of law still matters.

Europe suffers from another kind of "corruption", more akin to a corrupted file system: absurd, rigid and unpredictable regulation makes life very hard for businesses, which drives large private capital away. I am European, and every time I open one of those stupid locked-on bottle caps, I feel pain for my country, for Europe (and for my face).

"every time I open one of those stupid locked-on bottle caps, I feel pain for my country, for Europe (and for my face)."

You know that it is easy to remove the plastic locking the caps on? (Just twist them) And to me it is also easy to drink with them locked on, just have it side ways.

So I also do have lots of complaints about the EU, but this ain't it.

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