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Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by croisillon »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #398
atonse wrote: post #141

Setting aside the obvious shock of the actual subject, I'm going to try the herculean task of bringing this back to being a HN-related topic... My guess is that there is someone named Jeffrey Goldberg in the NatSec team (or high up, it seems like a common combination of first and last name at least), and likely that they meant to add him, rather than the EDITOR IN CHIEF of the Atlantic of all people. Could this be a…

Entirely possible. Which is why Government services for 'chat' explicitly don't allow contacts to appear who aren't already in the government. You've also no doubt seen email as it appears in Government inboxes with the big red banner "Came from outside, don't trust this" kinds of things will all the links disabled. Two things that are really troublesome. The first, as Josh Marshall of TPM points out, "No one on that…

  > "Came from outside, don't trust this"
meanwhile every company and their dog do this, for 2 lines worth of text you have to go through this litter and "think of the trees" and "if this email was not intended for you we will deny ever having written it" etc...

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by feb »

fragmede wrote: post #741
davidw wrote: post #661

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are the same folks who scrubbed the Navajo Code Talkers from the DoD web site for being "DEI" or some such.

we replaced them with DUI hires.

For those of us who are not used to the acronyms, DUI means Driving Under Influence. Similar term is DWI, Driving While Intoxicated.

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Post by ta1243 »

pembrook wrote: post #799
mentalgear wrote: post #761

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I'd recommend for Entrepreneurs, just like Scientists now do, to consider Europe as a safe-haven. In the EU the rule of law still matters.

Not sure how you could possibly come up with this idea — but I’d recommend not consuming hysterical media narratives and instead looking at actual data. This is a chart of globally relevant companies founded in Europe in the last 50 years: https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/s/1Fn23uYVxK The data depicts the exact opposite of what you are saying. As an entrepreneur, you can be “safe” knowing you will have far less ch…

Stop pretending that America of today is anything like America of 15 years ago

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Post by ta1243 »

franga2000 wrote: post #796
whiplash451 wrote: post #790

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Europe suffers from another kind of "corruption", more akin to a corrupted file system: absurd, rigid and unpredictable regulation makes life very hard for businesses, which drives large private capital away. I am European, and every time I open one of those stupid locked-on bottle caps, I feel pain for my country, for Europe (and for my face).

European law is a patchwork of suboptimal solutions to hard (but often self-imposed) problems. The US meanwhile doesn't try to solve them at all. Yes, the bottle caps annoy me, but if the beverage companies stuck to the much more recyclable glass bottles we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. Yes, the GDPR popups annoy me, but the law also punishes companies for being creepy exploitative bastards. If they ha…

The bottle caps certainly don't annoy me, I find them very useful.

The popups are there for companies that ignore basic data sovereignty of "don't use my personal data until I say you can"

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Post by [deleted] »

jimt1234 wrote: post #736
Folcon wrote: post #717

I'm an external individual to the US, but I must admit that some of the sentiments being expressed here in this thread and elsewhere about the lack of accountability deeply concern me, it reminds me of many things I saw growing up and still see today in south asia. Independent of anything else, I do see the overton window shifting in the US, the most subtle of which are norms and expectations around acts of corruptio…

The ends justify the means is now openly accepted, even celebrated.

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Post by varius »

whiplash451 wrote: post #790
mentalgear wrote: post #761

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd recommend for Entrepreneurs, just like Scientists now do, to consider Europe as a safe-haven. In the EU the rule of law still matters.

Europe suffers from another kind of "corruption", more akin to a corrupted file system: absurd, rigid and unpredictable regulation makes life very hard for businesses, which drives large private capital away. I am European, and every time I open one of those stupid locked-on bottle caps, I feel pain for my country, for Europe (and for my face).

Then send a message to the producer. The law requires for caps to be attached but doesn't describe how. I have a water bottle next to me that has a cap connected by one long piece after opening that doesn't touch my face at all when drinking.

Sure, Europe has some red tape that should be removed but don't paint it as some kind of Kafka's universe because it's not that bad. I'm from east side of Iron Curtain and I remember how bad that was.

Also, most of the businesses will do what's needed to be done because the market is big.

Personally, I prefer to live a life in a slightly over regulated place that at least keeps common people in mind than whatever is US turning into.

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Post by rimeice »

WinstonSmith84 wrote: post #464
rimeice wrote: post #406

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With the level of disdain for Europe in the leak, it’s hard not to think b.

There are other ways to "fake leak" information than having to look like an incompetent idiot at the end. Plus, what they said on Europe is not breaking news, they say pretty much the same on open channels - even when they face directly Europeans (e.g. last Munich conference)

Yeh, not quite the same level of frankness though. The trouble is this vaporises the veil of pretence that stern words on the surface were really backed by an unshakable relationship at it's foundation, and that leaves European leaders with nothing to hide behind to convince their electorate it's worth placating the US as they'll look pathetic. So, they're now left with no choice but to fight fire with fire.

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Post by lentil_soup »

username332211 wrote: post #795
whiplash451 wrote: post #790

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe suffers from another kind of "corruption", more akin to a corrupted file system: absurd, rigid and unpredictable regulation makes life very hard for businesses, which drives large private capital away. I am European, and every time I open one of those stupid locked-on bottle caps, I feel pain for my country, for Europe (and for my face).

Nevermind the bottle caps. The internet is borderline unusable without extensions like "I don't care about cookies". And in situations where you care about them, you can not , because something has to record that I've seen the GDPR consent form. Recently, in the name of... who knows what, it's become a pain in the ass to access Google maps from Google search. The idea that Europe can become a safe haven for entrepren…

why blame the rule and not the people adding tracking and cookies without reason? You don't need those dumb banners if you don't try to cram cookies in everything

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Post by whiplash451 »

varius wrote: post #806
whiplash451 wrote: post #790

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe suffers from another kind of "corruption", more akin to a corrupted file system: absurd, rigid and unpredictable regulation makes life very hard for businesses, which drives large private capital away. I am European, and every time I open one of those stupid locked-on bottle caps, I feel pain for my country, for Europe (and for my face).

Then send a message to the producer. The law requires for caps to be attached but doesn't describe how. I have a water bottle next to me that has a cap connected by one long piece after opening that doesn't touch my face at all when drinking. Sure, Europe has some red tape that should be removed but don't paint it as some kind of Kafka's universe because it's not that bad. I'm from east side of Iron Curtain and I rem…

Same answer as GDPR: when the majority/all of the companies implement it in a way that hurts everyone (businesses and end users alike), then the problem is with the regulator, not the regulated.

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Post by pembrook »

ta1243 wrote: post #803
pembrook wrote: post #799

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure how you could possibly come up with this idea — but I’d recommend not consuming hysterical media narratives and instead looking at actual data. This is a chart of globally relevant companies founded in Europe in the last 50 years: https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/s/1Fn23uYVxK The data depicts the exact opposite of what you are saying. As an entrepreneur, you can be “safe” knowing you will have far less ch…

Stop pretending that America of today is anything like America of 15 years ago

Please elaborate on the anti-entrepreneur shifts that have occurred in the US in the last 15 years that would disrupt this trend. I’m not aware of them.

If this were true, 15 years would definitely be enough time to show up in some form of data you can cite about the death of American startup culture.

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