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Who's going to arrest them?

This is why you have a constitution, codified laws, judicial system, separation of powers, etc. We're just learning now none of these things are worth the paper they're written on.

Would you say that was always the case, or just a more recent development?

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Who's going to arrest them?

This is why you have a constitution, codified laws, judicial system, separation of powers, etc. We're just learning now none of these things are worth the paper they're written on.

The issue is that there’s nothing that requires prosecution, just allows it.

This is the doubled edged nature of prosecutorial discretion.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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> Waltz set some of the messages in the Signal group to disappear after one week, and some after four. That raises questions about whether the officials may have violated federal records law: Text messages about official acts are considered records that should be preserved. I suspect that this was the point of their using Signal, to avoid preservation of records.

SO much for 'the most transparent administration in history', not that I bought into that claim in the first place. Seems like a violation of multiple public record-keeping laws.

Hahaha...it has always been a farce, just like Twitter and Musk are for free speech and DOGE is about transparency.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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This is why you have a constitution, codified laws, judicial system, separation of powers, etc. We're just learning now none of these things are worth the paper they're written on.

Would you say that was always the case, or just a more recent development?

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Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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A normal govvie sending cleared materials to unapproved recipients over unapproved channels? 20 years in federal prison. A govvie with status doing the same? A slap on the wrist. Embarrassing.

Yeah, the next time I have to submit a SAAR form for military network access, and they request my Information Awareness Annual Training certification as an attachment, it's going to be hard to not laugh in their face. We were getting scolded about "not even searching the 'Net for the content of the Teixeira leaks because possessing classified info could be prosecuted" and these guys are discussing upcoming strike packages in their Signal chat? Un-fucking-real.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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SO much for 'the most transparent administration in history', not that I bought into that claim in the first place. Seems like a violation of multiple public record-keeping laws.

Please FOIA the administration's process for meeting records requirements while using Signal. People need to call them out on this or nothing happens.

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Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Can we stop with the nth-D chess nonsense? This administration proves day by day that no advanced tactics are going on, it’s literally just clueless idiots improvising because they’re way out of their league but are too self-absorbed to step back.

That was me reaching REALLY REALLY deeply to find _any_ reason why some of our most powerful leaders would make an obvious blunder like this.

Initially it’s exactly now I thought they would try spin it. They still might.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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From people on Reddit: Something that blows my mind- but is fully true "Hell, I've been in fucking EVE Online alliances that had better opsec than this." "I'll raise you one: I've never been in any EVE alliance that didn't have better opsec than this." ..I noted Board Games(Secret Hitler, for example) require better opsec. So do card games- it's mindblowing to note this too... [Main comment by me - technical outlook]…

> A lot of it may be for the auto disappearing messages,

except that the conversation in question, and similar such conversations, are required by federal law to be archived.

So explicitly choosing a communication channel that violates federal law for conducting federal business is, umm, sketchy?

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Can we stop with the nth-D chess nonsense? This administration proves day by day that no advanced tactics are going on, it’s literally just clueless idiots improvising because they’re way out of their league but are too self-absorbed to step back.

Can we stop with the clueless idiots nonsense? Some are that. The POTUS is also insane. Many more are much, much worse. Marco Rubio absolutely knows due process is a right for all persons subject to U.S. law. It's not only a right for citizens, and having taken this right away from persons, in no meaningful way can it be said it's preserves for citizens. The federal government is at best in abeyance. And an adversary…

Clueless is the wrong word. Calculated is.
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