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> How is that a plus? They could've used Telegram /s. It's popular with the crypto crowd after all.

They probably do also use Telegram https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2025/03/22/russian-...

Manafort used Telegram extensively. The only messages used against him in court were iCloud backups of WhatsApp.

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It's extraordinary to me when anyone claims that the "MSM" is left leaning. If it was, Trump's hubris, criminality, ignorance, senility, self-dealing grift and myopia would yield an unending series of "WTF?" type headlines. Instead they sane wash it. The guy is sending plane loads of who-knows-who to a country that they have no association with, based upon zero charges or due process, where they are imprisoned into b…

> It's extraordinary to me when anyone claims that the "MSM" is left leaning.

It’s not that weird when you consider where they get that opinion.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Staggering display of incompetence and carelessness. And unfortunately, one that we’re unlikely to get much transparency about, in terms of how such an operational screwup was allowed to happen. > At 11:44 a.m., the account labeled “Pete Hegseth” posted in Signal a “TEAM UPDATE.” I will not quote from this update, or from certain other subsequent texts. The information contained in them, if they had been read by an a…

No consequences: "Trump stands by national security adviser Mike Waltz despite disclosing military plans" - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-stands-na...

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Staggering display of incompetence and carelessness. And unfortunately, one that we’re unlikely to get much transparency about, in terms of how such an operational screwup was allowed to happen. > At 11:44 a.m., the account labeled “Pete Hegseth” posted in Signal a “TEAM UPDATE.” I will not quote from this update, or from certain other subsequent texts. The information contained in them, if they had been read by an a…

Don’t worry - this massive fuckup will surely spark numerous congressional investigations, resignations, and trigger serious reflection by the administration on their security protocols so they will comply with the necessary recordkeeping laws, confidentiality and proper handling of classified information in the future. Oh who am I kidding. Less than 8h later: “it’s just an oopsie right? No harm no foul- nothing to s…

Sadly, were this a different administration, they would have already declared an investigation with a goal to impeach a president. Such a ridiculous double-standard with clear partisanship on display. “Both sides”…

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This Yemen situation is quite interesting. In 1948 nobody could have conceived a situation in which white people wouldn't be running the world, Dutch people were still religious and public opinion was pro Israel. Hopefully when the last boomers die we can finally extricate ourselves from this self imposed fuck up.

Did only boomers vote?

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From the article: > Brian Hughes, the spokesman for the National Security Council, responded two hours later, confirming the veracity of the Signal group. “This appears to be an authentic message chain, and we are reviewing how an inadvertent number was added to the chain,”

Is there an official statement of this on a government website?

They used signal and included a journo...a web-page highlighting an 'error', may take a while to appear. Especially as some poor mf has to make a page that doesn't criticize la presidentino.

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The US has veto'd ceasefire calls in the UN Security Council which European countries have been in favour of (or at least abstained). Yes, Europe benefits from the strait more than the US, but it isn't Europe's mess in the first place.

I disagree. The root cause is obviously Israel founding which was the the last colonial project that Western European countries undertook. I predict that in the next decades Europe will cut ties with Israel completely but until then we reap what we sow.

True, but they can only do it with the US backing.

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Setting aside the obvious shock of the actual subject, I'm going to try the herculean task of bringing this back to being a HN-related topic... My guess is that there is someone named Jeffrey Goldberg in the NatSec team (or high up, it seems like a common combination of first and last name at least), and likely that they meant to add him, rather than the EDITOR IN CHIEF of the Atlantic of all people. Could this be a…

I mean, I expect the actual approved governmental secure messaging apps would make it much harder to accidentally add a journalist to the thread, so I don’t know if this is a Signal problem per se.

Signal could fundraise on new flair for DOGE implants, cabinet members, and folks who have side-loaded FSB certs.

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The whole thread is WILD, and the fact that it was verified is crazy. But the actual text of the thread is horrifying: On one hand, they say they complain about "bailing out Europe". But on the other hand, they explicitly moved up the timeline so they could move before other actors and take credit. > "If the US successfully restores freedom of navigation at great cost there needs to be some further economic gain extr…

How was it verified?

https://x.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1904221405618577650

> [National Security Council] statement: "At this time, the message thread that was reported appears to be authentic, and we are reviewing how an inadvertent number was added to the chain. The thread is a demonstration of the deep and thoughtful policy coordination between senior officials. The ongoing success of the Houthi operation demonstrates that there were no threats to our servicemembers or our national security." - NSC Spokesman Brian Hughes

And from the article, practical verification:

> According to the lengthy Hegseth text, the first detonations in Yemen would be felt two hours hence, at 1:45 p.m. eastern time. So I waited in my car in a supermarket parking lot. If this Signal chat was real, I reasoned, Houthi targets would soon be bombed. At about 1:55, I checked X and searched Yemen. Explosions were then being heard across Sanaa, the capital city.

And today, confirmation from Trump:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-stands-na...

> "Michael Waltz has learned a lesson, and he’s a good man," Trump said Tuesday in a phone interview with NBC News.

> When asked what he was told about how Goldberg came to be added to the Signal chat, Trump said, “It was one of Michael’s people on the phone. A staffer had his number on there.”

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Staggering display of incompetence and carelessness. And unfortunately, one that we’re unlikely to get much transparency about, in terms of how such an operational screwup was allowed to happen. > At 11:44 a.m., the account labeled “Pete Hegseth” posted in Signal a “TEAM UPDATE.” I will not quote from this update, or from certain other subsequent texts. The information contained in them, if they had been read by an a…

Almost as bad as a private email server being used for governmental business.

No, that was intentional.

This incident was an accident.

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