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Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by ChocolateGod » Tue, Mar 25, 2025, 10:16 AM UTC

amarcheschi wrote: post #31

legitster wrote: post #15

The whole thread is WILD, and the fact that it was verified is crazy. But the actual text of the thread is horrifying: On one hand, they say they complain about "bailing out Europe". But on the other hand, they explicitly moved up the timeline so they could move before other actors and take credit. > "If the US successfully restores freedom of navigation at great cost there needs to be some further economic gain extr…

Bailing out europe when us is the cause of so many troubles in middle east (and not only that, or at least contributed to it) is deeply ironic

The US has veto'd ceasefire calls in the UN Security Council which European countries have been in favour of (or at least abstained).

Yes, Europe benefits from the strait more than the US, but it isn't Europe's mess in the first place.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by impendingchange » Tue, Mar 25, 2025, 11:18 AM UTC

danso wrote: post #11

Staggering display of incompetence and carelessness. And unfortunately, one that we’re unlikely to get much transparency about, in terms of how such an operational screwup was allowed to happen. > At 11:44 a.m., the account labeled “Pete Hegseth” posted in Signal a “TEAM UPDATE.” I will not quote from this update, or from certain other subsequent texts. The information contained in them, if they had been read by an a…

Almost as bad as a private email server being used for governmental business.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by Neonlicht » Tue, Mar 25, 2025, 11:26 AM UTC

This Yemen situation is quite interesting. In 1948 nobody could have conceived a situation in which white people wouldn't be running the world, Dutch people were still religious and public opinion was pro Israel. Hopefully when the last boomers die we can finally extricate ourselves from this self imposed fuck up.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by Neonlicht » Tue, Mar 25, 2025, 11:39 AM UTC

ChocolateGod wrote: post #261

amarcheschi wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bailing out europe when us is the cause of so many troubles in middle east (and not only that, or at least contributed to it) is deeply ironic

The US has veto'd ceasefire calls in the UN Security Council which European countries have been in favour of (or at least abstained). Yes, Europe benefits from the strait more than the US, but it isn't Europe's mess in the first place.

I disagree. The root cause is obviously Israel founding which was the the last colonial project that Western European countries undertook.

I predict that in the next decades Europe will cut ties with Israel completely but until then we reap what we sow.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by fzeroracer » Tue, Mar 25, 2025, 11:53 AM UTC

heartbreak wrote: post #215

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They have a tendency to simply just ignore things that challenge or are not aligned with their worldview so I expect you'll be waiting for quite some time unfortunately.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by cmurf » Tue, Mar 25, 2025, 11:54 AM UTC

burkaman wrote: post #107

nickthegreek wrote: post #10

Is it wild that a 3rd party app like Signal is used for this type of communication? I feel like that's crazy.

Yes, it is illegal (because of the auto-deleting messages) and explicitly against the rules that every one of these people mandates for their own employees. All of them know that federal records must be preserved, and you have to manually turn on Signal's auto-deletion feature, so this is obviously intentional criminal activity.

Early on they fired the national archivist, and deputy archivist.

If what you're doing isn't wrong, why not record all of it for history?

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by gmerc » Tue, Mar 25, 2025, 11:56 AM UTC

danso wrote: post #11

Staggering display of incompetence and carelessness. And unfortunately, one that we’re unlikely to get much transparency about, in terms of how such an operational screwup was allowed to happen. > At 11:44 a.m., the account labeled “Pete Hegseth” posted in Signal a “TEAM UPDATE.” I will not quote from this update, or from certain other subsequent texts. The information contained in them, if they had been read by an a…

But her emails!

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by rchaud » Tue, Mar 25, 2025, 12:02 PM UTC

telez wrote: post #124

seems like a UI design failure

"Don't make me think" was certainly the guiding principle at play here.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by cmurf » Tue, Mar 25, 2025, 12:07 PM UTC

9dev wrote: post #254

nunez wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. When you get a clearance, it is inculcated upon you that you absolutely do not leak cleared information. If you THINK something cleared, it's best to treat it like it is. It's possible that there is some 10D chess happening here, but I wouldn't expect details like this to be approved for apps like Signal.

Can we stop with the nth-D chess nonsense? This administration proves day by day that no advanced tactics are going on, it’s literally just clueless idiots improvising because they’re way out of their league but are too self-absorbed to step back.

Can we stop with the clueless idiots nonsense? Some are that. The POTUS is also insane. Many more are much, much worse.

Marco Rubio absolutely knows due process is a right for all persons subject to U.S. law. It's not only a right for citizens, and having taken this right away from persons, in no meaningful way can it be said it's preserves for citizens.

The federal government is at best in abeyance. And an adversary at worst.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by AbstractH24 » Tue, Mar 25, 2025, 12:08 PM UTC

esalman wrote: post #218

ipython wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t worry - this massive fuckup will surely spark numerous congressional investigations, resignations, and trigger serious reflection by the administration on their security protocols so they will comply with the necessary recordkeeping laws, confidentiality and proper handling of classified information in the future. Oh who am I kidding. Less than 8h later: “it’s just an oopsie right? No harm no foul- nothing to s…

Move fast and break things bro

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