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U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by otterley »

vwcx wrote: post #67
otterley wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The top story on Fox News right now is "Trump allies move to prevent 'activist judges' from overstepping presidential authority." This story isn't even on the front page.

To be fair, it broke as an exclusive to the Atlantic about 180 minutes ago. The NYT now has it "above the fold" on their front page. Unlike a story coming directly from a public source, it sometimes takes a bit longer to spin up re-reporting on another outlet's scoop like this.

Good point. It's now the top story on WSJ as well.

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Post by alistairSH »

bediger4000 wrote: post #35

One of my takeaways is that "national security secrets" really aren't that important. The Secretary of Defense was in on this. Whatever was in that chat just doesn't matter, except to manage the reporting on it. I call on Bart Gellman to dump the Snowden document repository he's got. Clearly nothing in it matters, if this was so casually compromised.

It only "didn't matter" because the journalist had the good sense to keep quiet until after the operation was complete. And continues to keep some of the conversation secret. Imagine if Hegseth had accidentally CC'ed somebody aligned with Iran?

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Post by alistairSH »

Even worse, Trump wasn't aware of this leak (or denies knowledge of it) until questioned at a press conference earlier today. And instead of promising an investigation, the best he can do is throw some weak insults at The Atlantic.

BUTTERY MALES indeed.

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Post by maronato »

lapcat wrote: post #27

> Waltz set some of the messages in the Signal group to disappear after one week, and some after four. That raises questions about whether the officials may have violated federal records law: Text messages about official acts are considered records that should be preserved. I suspect that this was the point of their using Signal, to avoid preservation of records.

The obvious follow up is what else do they illegally delete?

If they’re doing it so blatantly to plan for attacks that will eventually be public, contain no conspiracies or illegal activity, and will be used to dunk on Biden, then what else are they automatically deleting?

Plus, if China/Russia/Iran/NK weren’t targeting US officials phones and Signal, now they certainly are.

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Post by Balgair »

If anything, I'm a bit surprised that Jeff Goldberg burned this source.

If anything, I'd suspect that he'd keep the channel open as long as he could.

Or, he's got other channels that work better.

All the same, I mean, wow. These guys are just morons here, there's really no other way around it. I'm trying to think of a charitable way to spin this and I've got nothing.

Like, very clearly, these people are going to get service-members killed due to their idiocy

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Post by tomohawk »

burkaman wrote: post #64
neverokay wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DoD or Pentagon don’t have their own messaging apps? Maybe our government doesn’t spend enough on tech. To me this is the same as if this were happening on Zoom or Discord, since these are not exactly world war level apps. Finally, the echoes of Dr Strangelove are strong with this one. A veritable board room of talking heads that don’t ever really talk about life or death, but just the material numbers of raw com…

Of course they do, but you can't set official government apps to illegally delete messages after a week. Edit: Seems like they are supposed to use Microsoft Teams https://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0/Documents/Library/Memo-... . Also - > When mission needs or the effective conduct of DoD business cannot be adequately supported by Microsoft Teams Chat, SMS texting may be used in accordance with DoDI 8170.01. In such c…

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Post by voodooEntity »

I mean im not shocked by neither the fact this happend nor the content. it portraits the staff exactly as i would imagine them.

Tho i still find it kinda amusing that this is the finally proofs that the average security invested joe has a better opsec than the highest ranking us gov officials.

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Post by asdff »

304 votes, 75 comments 3 hours after posting and this is already being thrown all the way back to 134 rank on the front page with some 2-3 day old posts. This is very clearly hacker news: a case of opsec slipup in easily the worst fashion coming straight from the SecDef (or one representing the SecDef). A shame it is probably getting flamed and downvoted over partisan reasons, although I know there are many conservatives here who probably don't enjoy these constant leopards eating face moments they've unleashed and am not surprised they'd be acting out and flagging embarrassing posts.
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