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Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by Apocryphon »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #148
Apocryphon wrote: post #113

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If you think you truly are up against an echo chamber then it’s in your best interest not to make a big show of martyrdom, claiming to be persecuted by it. Most posts that mention being downvoted become targets for further downvoting. Don’t break the fourth wall.

So the echo chamber's reaction when called an echo chamber is to.... behave even more like an echo chamber? And I'm the one in the wrong for it?

It’s not about what’s right or wrong, it’s just trying to appeal to a place’s sense of shame when you’ve failed to secure any local support just makes you look bad, and like you’re grandstanding.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by ivan_gammel »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #147
ivan_gammel wrote: post #77

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If you want to argue in good faith, you should share some facts instead of sending people to Google. I am closely watching German politics and still have no idea what are you talking about. Maybe my search query is wrong, maybe you are just making this up.

If you insist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bMzFDpfDwc It was pretty heavily debated on r/DE. https://www.reddit.com/r/de/comments/1is8a7l/germany_is_pros... Please tell me how you think this "protect one's honor" law doesn't get abused. Also, an youtuber from my country made a video during the pandemic exposing the mistreatment of seasonal fruit picking workers from my country working in Germany, and the video g…

> So do do you expect to learn about censorship of German media if you follow German media which is subject to censorship?

I‘m used to work with various sources of information professionally and don’t get breaking news from Reddit. Free media do not exist. They all have certain alignments or views, they are all censored by governments etc. Russia just pushes news agenda from the top, America works in more subtle ways, through denial of access (I‘m complicit here), in Germany that’s mostly lawyers, publishers with agenda and (surprise!) privacy laws. Nevertheless it is still possible to stay updated and extract a lot of information even from censored media, sometimes reading between the lines. Overall I think German media do enjoy a lot of freedom.

I still do not understand how is this related to privacy. Yes, in democracy all things are important and connected. But the original claim was that somehow we have a problem with it. What is the problem?

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

Apocryphon wrote: post #151
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the echo chamber's reaction when called an echo chamber is to.... behave even more like an echo chamber? And I'm the one in the wrong for it?

It’s not about what’s right or wrong, it’s just trying to appeal to a place’s sense of shame when you’ve failed to secure any local support just makes you look bad, and like you’re grandstanding.

I'm not trying to secure support, I don't give a shit about that since I'm not running for president, I'm trying to speak my mind. If people don't want to hear it it's their loss, not mine.

The only reason I was pointing it out the downvotes is that I'm baffled about the amount of ignorance and groupthink on a website of people who see themselves as free and critical thinkers, yet display the same pre-programmed NPC behavior as bots. If a comment doesn't match their world view, they downvote without giving a second thought to look deeper into the claim.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by confiq »

fer wrote: post #149
confiq wrote: post #135

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> Having worked at AWS This should be disclaimer at your first message when you compared AWS with UPCloud. TBH, I would not trust AWS with countering the Patriot Act.

> This should be disclaimer at your first message when you compared AWS with UPCloud. Fair, my bad. Still obviously misleading. 1. DB instances "starting at $144", I have a $63 in my basket at the moment, and also Aurora Serverless charges on resources used and can be potentially cheaper depending on the workload. 2. "$82.8 /mo" for a 2 core 8GB server is actually just under 50. 3. European DC locations: 8 for both.…

> AWS China wouldn't have happened if they didn't offer enough safeguards.

AWS China vs. AWS EU: Data centers in China are managed by Chinese companies, whereas DCs in the EU are managed by USA companies.

From a regulatory perspective, it's two different worlds. The Patriot Act can happen in the EU, not in China.

This is why GDPR does allow that EU user data is transferred to non-EU countries, but not to the USA.[0]

Furthermore, a discernible trend has emerged, attributable to the inadequacies in privacy regulations and suboptimal Trump geopolitical strategies with the EU, the EU is actively seeking better cloud services [1].

[0] https://gdpr-info.eu/issues/third-countries/

[1] https://www.wired.com/story/trump-us-cloud-services-europe/

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by palata »

bjarneh wrote: post #140
diggan wrote: post #132

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> is very difficult to implement. It shouldn't be. > that basically barely knew what info they stored about anyone Aha, might have been the core problem, wouldn't it? > It was virtually impossible to follow GDPR in that company So, sounds like the regulation worked exactly like expected? If you're not following proper procedures for storing data, it should be hard to comply with a regulation that is trying to force y…

> A bit like complaining that fraud is hard because of those pesky police officers. Yes, this is the intention. GDPR did not lead to any actual changes for the company, except they set up a fancy web-page about how serious we where about GDPR. That's the intention? Many companies cannot possibly remove the info GDPR demands, as they barely know they have it, and they will use minimal efforts to fiddle with this stuff…

> That's the intention?

The intention, I believe, is that it discourages from collecting superfluous data. The easiest way to address the GDPR is to not collect any data at all. If you do, then it becomes harder.

> as they barely know they have it, and they will use minimal efforts to fiddle with this stuff.

Big companies have a real incentive to act. I believe the GDPR has forced BigTech to make at least some changes, because it was better to make those changes than to pay the fine.

In my experience, smaller companies don't really care and don't really want to know, and tend to collect as muich data as they can just because they can and "it may be useful later". Many times they never use the collected data.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by chgs »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #71
palata wrote: post #59

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> given current hostility of Europe against Trump This is akin to Trump talking about the hostility of Ukraine against Russia. The US are the bullies here, not the other way round. > but what if in two years Trump will be off the news, people would not care anymore about being anti_USA Time will tell, but this is the first time in the life of all living Europeans that the US threatens them militarily . And many US ci…

I don’t think it will ever come back. EU and USA are different ideologically, if we look beyond the naive notion of democracy. It’s social market economy/social democracy vs libertarian capitalism. A lot of differences, even in how our cities are designed. Europe may liberalize a bit, but I cannot imagine America having universal healthcare or abandoning suburbs. This sets us apart and with ongoing ideological polari…

The big questions are how the U.K. and Canada go.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by chgs »

palata wrote: post #51
bjarneh wrote: post #25

> (GDPR) is the best-known European standard. After all, it’s hard to miss the opportunity to reject cookies on European websites. But there’s far more to data security. We should not be bragging about that "security", those cookie pop-ups are just a pointless annoyance. At least I guess we can all agree that there is far more to data security :-)

GDPR goes further than the cookies, though.

Nor does it mandate those stupid cookie-cutter cookie boxes.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by bittermandel »

diggan wrote: post #131
bittermandel wrote: post #109

I didn't expect the comments in here to be so negative. It's a decent service in itself and a good alternative to many other traditional VM-based hosting companies, which Europe is absolutely full of. They are not really competing with the hyperscalers, nor even Digital Ocean in my opinion, but rather providers that likely sell pre-committed OpenStack clusters and such. I don't believe they are fully clear of America…

> I didn't expect the comments in here to be so negative. Wait until the US properly wakes up and you'll see what negative can be on HN :) > nor do I believe that it's possible to do that today. Why not? Granted, a lot of the internet infrastructure is maintained by US entities, but it doesn't have to be that way, afaik. I'm fairly sure there are companies doing worse/better in this regard, but at least it's moving i…

We're definitely heading in the right direction!

Our company's biggest remaining problem is finding a reliable IdP that isn't primarily for individuals, self-hosted or based on Active Directory. There are some alternatives, but they are mainly country-specific (like Freja) or not well integrated enough with e.g. OAuth. We've considered at some point to pivot our company to focus on a fully European IdP, as we feel it's a fundamental missing puzzle piece!

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

diggan wrote: post #98
onli wrote: post #47

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Hetzner behaves pretty much like DO, with servers that can be changed in the corresponding management panel. Or what aspect do you think is different?

> Hetzner behaves pretty much like DO, with servers that can be changed in the corresponding management panel. Or what aspect do you think is different? Parent is comparing Hetzner Dedicated with Upcloud VPS, not Hetzner VPS with Upcloud VPS, I'm not sure you missed this. But in case it's not a misunderstood question: Dedicated instances are "real" hardware you have full control over, for better or worse, while VPSes…

Initially I wrote "Hetzner Cloud", and then changed to "Hetzner Dedi Cloud", to emphasize that those are more performant VPSes. Shared cloud instances cost even less: €25/month for 16 cores.
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