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Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by ivan_gammel »

janmo wrote: post #127
ivan_gammel wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t make sense to build a conspiracy theory on randomly selected facts, when there’s an obvious explanation that in all those cases the law was broken and law enforcement acted as they were supposed to act. Other ISPs and hosting providers are cooperating with lawful requests too.

If these takedowns were lawful, why do they lie and hide the details about how they did it? Read carefully the sections related to the encrypted containers and the OVH servers and tell me your opinion: https://www.justice.gov/d9/press-releases/attachments/2019/0...

I do not see any lies or omission of important details in this document. Looks like OVH complied with some legal request and just handed over everything they had, including encrypted copies of hard drives. Americans then just cracked the root password.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by ksec »

Interesting to see on Front page I tried submitting UpCloud to HN so many times I gave up on it.

One of the best part of UpCloud is their flexible plan. You could have something like 64 Core and 8 or 16 GB Memory with very little storage and the whole thing is charged by the hour. You can have a 64 Core server that is under $700 USD a month. If you only care about CPU core that is reaching dedicated server pricing without long term commitments while having the flexibility.

Edit: I cant remember if they are real CPU core or vCPU as one 1 thread. Some vendor in the past few years started to use vCPU as single Core only. Some dont.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by darep »

amne wrote: post #134
mpenet wrote: post #75

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That’s quite common, it means they host the control plane for free but not the kubelets (worker nodes).

I click "Create new cluster", I see "Cluster plan -> development" for 0 (zero) euro / month with "Up to 30 worker nodes". When it says "Cluster plan" I don't read control plane, I read cluster.

Good point, it does indeed read like that

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by aborsy »

sschueller wrote: post #18
aborsy wrote: post #17

The only reason you may use these EU version of services is that you are in Europe. Otherwise EU is worse in terms of privacy. UK (while not officially in Europe) goes even beyond, requiring backdooor to iCloud and non-eu providers.

> Otherwise EU is worse in terms of privacy Please elaborate how the EU is worse (UK doesn't count). Worse than what other country and how?

I already provided an example with UK, which is terrible. UK is racing ahead of other countries requiring backdoors.

France has had similar proposals floating in their parliament. The latest iteration has been rejected

https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/france-re...

But the fact that such proposal is drafted and periodically brought up to this level, isn’t good, and it might be approved in the future.

Example of data collection by the German government

https://privacysniffs.com/data-retention-law/germany/

Australia's Encryption-Busting Law

https://www.wired.com/story/australia-encryption-law-global-...

What makes you think that EU governments don’t collect data from companies such as Hetzner or OVH, the same way that US collects from Microsoft or Google?

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

purerandomness wrote: post #136
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #31

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That's not how any of this works. Those who make bold claims, need to back them up with evidence. From following your other comments, you seem to be confused by Germany's version of what in the USA is known as Defamation lawsuits, and you're mixing it up with what is commonly known as "free speech", or the restriction of it.

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43461642

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

lentil_soup wrote: post #117
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #31

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> There's no point in me putting the effort to dig them up and share them here for the hundredth time again Went looking through your comments to find those mysterious sources and couldn't find the hundred times you've posted them. Mind doing it once more?

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43461642

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #77
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #40

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If you want to argue in good faith, you should share some facts instead of sending people to Google. I am closely watching German politics and still have no idea what are you talking about. Maybe my search query is wrong, maybe you are just making this up.

If you insist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bMzFDpfDwc It was pretty heavily debated on r/DE. https://www.reddit.com/r/de/comments/1is8a7l/germany_is_pros...

Please tell me how you think this "protect one's honor" law doesn't get abused.

Also, an youtuber from my country made a video during the pandemic exposing the mistreatment of seasonal fruit picking workers from my country working in Germany, and the video got blocked in Germany by Youtube, most likely on request by flagging.

So do do you expect to learn about censorship of German media if you follow German media which is subject to censorship? Do you realize the irony of it all? Did you ever expect for German media to go out and say "here's how we're censoring you"? Germans are living in Plato's cave allegory and are irate when people call them out for it.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

Apocryphon wrote: post #113
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #31

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If you think you truly are up against an echo chamber then it’s in your best interest not to make a big show of martyrdom, claiming to be persecuted by it. Most posts that mention being downvoted become targets for further downvoting. Don’t break the fourth wall.

So the echo chamber's reaction when called an echo chamber is to.... behave even more like an echo chamber? And I'm the one in the wrong for it?

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by fer »

confiq wrote: post #135
fer wrote: post #108

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Having worked at AWS, no, it's a separate partition under a separate legal entity, and the EU framework is specifically designed to counter Patriot Act, CLOUD Act and the like. It's gonna be similar to AWS China, and potentially more restrictive in some senses. That leaving aside regions we're not allowed to talk about.

> Having worked at AWS This should be disclaimer at your first message when you compared AWS with UPCloud. TBH, I would not trust AWS with countering the Patriot Act.

> This should be disclaimer at your first message when you compared AWS with UPCloud.

Fair, my bad. Still obviously misleading.

1. DB instances "starting at $144", I have a $63 in my basket at the moment, and also Aurora Serverless charges on resources used and can be potentially cheaper depending on the workload.

2. "$82.8 /mo" for a 2 core 8GB server is actually just under 50.

3. European DC locations: 8 for both. Unsure what UpCloud means for them here[0], they look like actual, individual DCs, but AWS has 8 European regions. Each region has normally 3 AZs which are physically separate DCs (which can be in proximity or not) and can be composed of multiple DCs each. Plus there are localzones depending from certain regions, each with at least one DC (and there are 11 of those). So the AWS number is certainly over 30 if we compare apples to apples.

The rest I don't have time to dive in, or are just opinions (certifications needed for proficiency? really?)

>TBH, I would not trust AWS with countering the Patriot Act.

AWS China wouldn't have happened if they didn't offer enough safeguards. Complying with Patriot Act will guarantee enormous fines for AWS in the EU, so I'm sure legal and finance did their homework for AWS not to end up between a rock and a hard place.

[0] https://upcloud.com/data-centers

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by janmo »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #141
janmo wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If these takedowns were lawful, why do they lie and hide the details about how they did it? Read carefully the sections related to the encrypted containers and the OVH servers and tell me your opinion: https://www.justice.gov/d9/press-releases/attachments/2019/0...

I do not see any lies or omission of important details in this document. Looks like OVH complied with some legal request and just handed over everything they had, including encrypted copies of hard drives. Americans then just cracked the root password.

The timeline is way too suspicious and the wording too broad. The encrypted container was decrypted only 8 days after the server was "imaged".

The term cryptanalysis is very, very broad, it could be anything.

The Freedom Hosting operator was in the process of moving his servers away from OVH, and they somehow found the last server remaining at OVH.

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