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Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by ivan_gammel »

palata wrote: post #59
piokoch wrote: post #21

This is missing the point. Everything they offer is storage, VPS, Load balancer, one managed key-value store and two managed databases. For the price a little higher than, say, Digital Ocean. But where is managed cache, message broker, e-mail service. It is not enough to be European, they need to offer something competitive. I guess they can win some clients, given current hostility of Europe against Trump, but what…

> given current hostility of Europe against Trump This is akin to Trump talking about the hostility of Ukraine against Russia. The US are the bullies here, not the other way round. > but what if in two years Trump will be off the news, people would not care anymore about being anti_USA Time will tell, but this is the first time in the life of all living Europeans that the US threatens them militarily . And many US ci…

I don’t think it will ever come back. EU and USA are different ideologically, if we look beyond the naive notion of democracy. It’s social market economy/social democracy vs libertarian capitalism. A lot of differences, even in how our cities are designed. Europe may liberalize a bit, but I cannot imagine America having universal healthcare or abandoning suburbs. This sets us apart and with ongoing ideological polarization those differences will be exploited and amplified by the people like JD.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

ohgr wrote: post #22
rustc wrote: post #16

This is a strange page: https://upcloud.com/products/zero-cost-egress There's "zero cost egress" mentioned all over the page but the limits on https://upcloud.com/fair-transfer-policy are comparable to other hosts like DigitalOcean: the cheapest 7 EUR VPS has a limit of 1TB of bandwidth. (For comparison, Hetzner offers 20TB on their EU VPS for under $5.) > Say goodbye to unpredictable egress costs and hello to our ze…

Yeah they’re going bankrupt in a couple of months.

OHV and leaseweb have been doing this for a decade and are fine.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by mpenet »

seper8 wrote: post #43
graemep wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cannot really compare dedi to VPS pricing. Upcloud is similar to DO etc.

What's the real difference in the end? Between a VPS at DO or a server at Hetzner?

If there’s any hardware issue on your dedicated box it might take a lot of time until your box gets back up (hours, days…). On a vps it’s less likely to happen in the first place (hvs are usually better quality) and if that happens migration takes minutes.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by janmo »

sofixa wrote: post #42
janmo wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for pointing that out! I would add that intelligence agencies and law enforcement are almost completely exempt from all those fancy GDPR requirements. Furthermore, in the EU, there is no such a strong equivalent to the 4th Amendment. Law enforcement and intelligence agencies can access your cloud data without needing a warrant—unless the data is stored in the US in which case a US judge would have to approv…

> Furthermore, in the EU there is not something such as the 4th amendment, Law Enforcement and Intelligence agencies can grab your cloud data without requiring a warrant. Unless the data is stored in the US, which is one of the reasons they are so eager to keep it "home You're commenting under an article that explicitly says how US intelligence agencies and police get around the need for warrants. Many rights in the…

Look at the technique they used with Silk Road:

"Because the SR Server was located outside the United States, the Fourth Amendment would not have required a warrant to search the server, whether for its IP address or otherwise."

- Assistant US Attorney Serrin Turner

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by mpenet »

amne wrote: post #13

I don't get how you can advertise Kubernetes from 0 euro / month and then you have to choose a node that costs 3 euro / month. I have no idea if it's cheap or not but how is this kind of advertising legal?

That’s quite common, it means they host the control plane for free but not the kubelets (worker nodes).

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by rustc »

mpenet wrote: post #73
seper8 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the real difference in the end? Between a VPS at DO or a server at Hetzner?

If there’s any hardware issue on your dedicated box it might take a lot of time until your box gets back up (hours, days…). On a vps it’s less likely to happen in the first place (hvs are usually better quality) and if that happens migration takes minutes.

The prices mentioned in the top comment are for a Hetzner VPS. A dedicated server (bare metal) on Hetzner with the same specs costs a fraction of that price.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by ivan_gammel »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #40
ivan_gammel wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You answered the question about privacy by complaint about freedom of speech, i.e. injecting some offtopic in conversation, hence the downvotes.

[flagged]

If you want to argue in good faith, you should share some facts instead of sending people to Google. I am closely watching German politics and still have no idea what are you talking about. Maybe my search query is wrong, maybe you are just making this up.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by rustc »

IanCal wrote: post #27
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #20

Love the fact that hacker news comments are absolutely pulling up on this website. They are blatantly lying in many of their offerings ( zero cost egress see the rustc comment) and so much more. Wha? Why are you lying. Why are you being deceptive. How can I trust a company which is this level of deceptive.

> They are blatantly lying in many of their offerings ( zero cost egress see the rustc comment) But the linked pages in that comment say they do have zero cost egress. If you cross their "fair use" amount they drop the upload speed to 100mbps for the rest of the month.

Why not just say that 1TB is free and the rest is chargeable? The only reason to use "zero cost" every time and then hide the limits behind accordions is to mislead.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by IanCal »

Iulioh wrote: post #61
usr1106 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I don't think so. You have to able to take your own data out for free. But delivering it to everybody else can be charged. Edit: Not allowed to comment on your reply anymore. I read it as a confirmation of what I said. Charging for egress in general is allowed. Only the egress to take your own data elsewhere must be free.

Chapter VI: Switching between data processing services The Data Act will also entirely remove switching charges, including charges for data egress (i.e. charges for data transit), from 12 January 2027. This means that providers won’t be able to charge their customers for the operations that are necessary to facilitate switching or for data egress. However, as a transitional measure during the first 3 years after the…

Is that for all egress or just for switching providers? "Move all my data from GCP to AWS, no cost" is quite a different thing from "Host video files for free"

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/2854/oj/eng

> In order to foster competition, the gradual withdrawal of the charges associated with switching between different providers of data processing services should specifically include data egress charges imposed by a provider of data processing services on a customer. Standard service fees for the provision of the data processing services themselves are not switching charges. Those standard service fees are not subject to withdrawal and remain applicable until the contract for the provision of the relevant services ceases to apply. This Regulation allows the customer to request the provision of additional services that go beyond the provider’s switching obligations under this Regulation. Those additional services, can be performed and charged for by the provider when they are performed at the customer’s request and the customer agrees to the price of those services in advance.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by snorremd »

sofixa wrote: post #46
piokoch wrote: post #21

This is missing the point. Everything they offer is storage, VPS, Load balancer, one managed key-value store and two managed databases. For the price a little higher than, say, Digital Ocean. But where is managed cache, message broker, e-mail service. It is not enough to be European, they need to offer something competitive. I guess they can win some clients, given current hostility of Europe against Trump, but what…

> Everything they offer is storage, VPS, Load balancer, one managed key-value store and two managed databases. For the price a little higher than, say, Digital Ocean. But where is managed cache, message broker, e-mail service. It is not enough to be European, they need to offer something competitive And don't forget managed Kubernetes. You can get pretty far with the services they provide and the Kubernetes ecosystem…

Scaleway is indeed the closest thing we have to AWS, Google Cloud and Azure by a European company. They are fast building out a comprehensive managed cloud with IAM, managed databases, containers, etc. I do hope they succeed. I've only used them for hobby projects, so my experience is limited to lighter workloads. But the UI is pretty good, and they have APIs and CLI for all operations.
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