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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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The incoming Q1 earning reports will show if these actions are mainstream enough to make a visible dent in companies quarterly earnings. For now, the already reported Tesla sales numbers in Europe are substantially down, but Tesla is the strongest target of the boycott. It will be interesting to see if consumer companies such as Coca Cola, Nike, Amazon also report a substantial drop in EU sales.

Q1 is waay too early for any of these things to manifest. it's easy not to buy a tesla. it's much harder to move your company from one supplier to another.

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#42
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In all honesty: European citizens retain, amongst other things, their health benefits when being laid off.

In a full blown trade war I would much rather be in Europe than see my money going to the oligarchy in the US.

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Is the EU threatening to take Alaska or support the Venezuelan government against the US or something? Because the feigned ignorance around why the EU is tired of the US isn't really interesting.

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At my (enterprise) job there has been a noticable shift in attitude.

We've just decided to use Mistral for OCR, even though everything we currently use is embedded in Azure / IntelDocs or something.

Usually any push for EU products would be dismissed because of the initial friction compared to SV products. This seems to have shifted significantly all the way to the top. Everyone seems on board to just accept more friction to use EU products.

We are now even moving to a non-AWS/Azure K8s cluster. This was unheard of even a few months ago.

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#46
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Globalisation is over, and we were not the ones triggering its end.

i really really don't understand how americans don't realize that their president is sabotaging their economy. They were number 1 everywhere, and yet he destroyed all relationships with their main economical and military allies. It's totally impossible to understand, except with some hollywoodest scenario. But the fact that some american support this is borderline crazy.

It's a modern problem in a lot of places, but especially in America that what people see on TV and social media is reality to them - which is heavily distorted. It will have to start reaching their own paychecks in order to have an impact. There are rumors that the administration will stop making Social Security payments, let's see how that goes.

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#47
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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why would Europeans not like it? edit: aha, misread the comment, i read it as, roughly: "europeans would not like it if americans start looking at the european alternatives", not "looking at alternatives to european products" - yes, i agree, Europeans would not like that.

Presumably a bunch of Europeans would lose their jobs if the Americans stop buying cars and machine tools and whatnot from Europe.

Well, maybe they can be used in the arms industry.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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This reminds me of Soviet ersatz products. Like the Soviet Union, the European Union operates at a scale where it can feasibly create a nearly full suite of goods/services in parallel to the market alternative.

> the market alternative

It's interesting that you imply the European Union is communist or state capitalist in a similar way to the Soviet Union or that European Alternatives are not part of the market, analogous to state-produced consumer goods in the Soviet Union. It's especially interesting (which is a nice way of saying preposterous) considering the primary function of the European Union has always been a European single market (the EEA includes the EU and EFTA) to ease trade between countries in Europe, with most other concerns logically following downstream from that (e.g. moving towards a United States of Europe is a logical consequence of the need for a state to back the Euro which was a logical consequence of the desire to avoid currency exchange when trading goods within the EEA).

Considering the only thing the Soviet Union and the EU have in common is part of their names in English and there's literally no similarity between Soviet consumer products and European Alternatives other than that they're foreign to the US, I struggle to understand what the point of your comment is supposed to be as good faith demands I assume the nonsensical implication is unintentional.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

#49
The very interesting question will then be : how many people _do_ switch ?

For the personnal tools, people have lots of leeway (change mail provider, search engine, ai chatbot, etc...)

For the enterprise, I really wonder how you defend a "let's migrate our infra from AWS to X" in general, even for technological reason or business reason ; I don't even know how you start a conversation like "aws works fine for us, but let's switch for political reasons" (whether the political reason is good or bad is out of topic.)

Normally, if "infra as code" works as well as advertised, this would be a "convert yaml to json" exercise ; so we should see someone write "what we learned switching from AWS to EU-based X". I'll be on the lookout for that - but to be completely honest, I'm not holding my breath...

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

#50
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While I agree that Europe needs its own companies I don't think turning allies into enemies is a good idea.

Frankly us Europeans (similarily: Canadians) have no choice. Trump demonsttated quite clearly that if you're down he will squeeze every last drop out of even his closest allies — just look at how he treated Ukraine.

So the choice is to be at the whim of a despotic tyrant from abroad or do your own thing. I guess there aren't many populations out there who'd prefer the former.

But I also see it as a chance. Europe is the biggest single market in the world and got a lot going for itself. Becoming less reliant on US security guarantees and other things the US provides was overdue. Trumps predecessors understood that keeping European potential moderated by ultimately ensured US influence within Europe remained strong.

So as much as I hate to witness what my American friends do to themselves, it feels like Europe is waking up, finally.

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