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Re: Rocky Linux from CIQ – Hardened

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Post by stonogo »

jonathanspw wrote: post #18
stonogo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alma is no longer binary-compatible with RHEL. Nothing wrong with that decision, but that makes it "RHEL like" and not "RHEL compatible."

AlmaLinux is still 100% compatible with RHEL. Any suggestions otherwise is FUD.

This change: https://almalinux.org/blog/future-of-almalinux/ means that Alma is no longer covered by STIGs and other RHEL-specific certifications. Rocky is usually permitted to piggyback on such things. This has directly affected deployments (my team spent time migrating from one o the other as a direct consequence). Compatible, sure, but that is a narrow view of the value CentOS provided.

Re: Rocky Linux from CIQ – Hardened

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Post by felbane »

stonogo wrote: post #17
mrbluecoat wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's up in the air? https://wiki.almalinux.org/release-notes/

Alma is no longer binary-compatible with RHEL. Nothing wrong with that decision, but that makes it "RHEL like" and not "RHEL compatible."

This is just categorically wrong. Alma is no longer a 1:1 binary copy of RHEL due to the licensing changes RedHat made in 2023, but it is absolutely still binary compatible.

Re: Rocky Linux from CIQ – Hardened

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Post by randombits0 »

spapas82 wrote: post #5
nazunalika wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>CentOS used to be a free rebranding of RHEL. CentOS was a binary/functionally compatible build of RHEL without the RHEL branding. >IBM effectively cut off CentOS. Red Hat (not IBM) made the decision to end CentOS Linux and move their focus toward CentOS Stream. >Rocky Linux is the replacement free RHEL-compatible distro... Rocky Linux is one of many choices for a RHEL-compatible distribution. I would also say CentOS…

> Red Hat (not IBM) made the decision to end CentOS Linux and move their focus toward CentOS Stream. The fact is that Red Hat killed centos a little after it was acquired by IBM. Who decided this is not something that we'll learn (or even care anyway).

It’s unthinkable that RedHat killed CentOS without the OK from IBM.

Re: Rocky Linux from CIQ – Hardened

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Post by felbane »

nazunalika wrote: post #4
neilv wrote: post #2

Can someone confirm or fill in details? * CentOS used to be a free rebranding of RHEL. * IBM effectively cut off CentOS. * Rocky Linux is the replacement free RHEL-compatible distro, but is higher effort to maintain than CentOS was. * "Rocky Linux from CIQ" is a commercial product that is attempting to compete with RHEL, by being lower-cost essentially-RHEL while still satisfying some is-there-a-company-behind-it "co…

>CentOS used to be a free rebranding of RHEL. CentOS was a binary/functionally compatible build of RHEL without the RHEL branding. >IBM effectively cut off CentOS. Red Hat (not IBM) made the decision to end CentOS Linux and move their focus toward CentOS Stream. >Rocky Linux is the replacement free RHEL-compatible distro... Rocky Linux is one of many choices for a RHEL-compatible distribution. I would also say CentOS…

Hey just want to take the opportunity to say thanks for your efforts with releng. I'm always pleasantly surprised by how quick and effective you folks are with getting updates built, validated, and shipped when upstream has a release.

Looking forward to Rocky 10!

Re: Rocky Linux from CIQ – Hardened

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Post by rob_c »

And more drama from the machine that is being the FUD created over every misstep of RHEL/IBM. And I mean misstep not evil attack on the community. CIQ is the worst of FOSS and a blight causing nonsense arguing rather than actually contributing to a better community.

Re: Rocky Linux from CIQ – Hardened

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Post by rob_c »

randombits0 wrote: post #23
spapas82 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Red Hat (not IBM) made the decision to end CentOS Linux and move their focus toward CentOS Stream. The fact is that Red Hat killed centos a little after it was acquired by IBM. Who decided this is not something that we'll learn (or even care anyway).

It’s unthinkable that RedHat killed CentOS without the OK from IBM.

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Re: Rocky Linux from CIQ – Hardened

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Post by rob_c »

mananaysiempre wrote: post #6
nazunalika wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>CentOS used to be a free rebranding of RHEL. CentOS was a binary/functionally compatible build of RHEL without the RHEL branding. >IBM effectively cut off CentOS. Red Hat (not IBM) made the decision to end CentOS Linux and move their focus toward CentOS Stream. >Rocky Linux is the replacement free RHEL-compatible distro... Rocky Linux is one of many choices for a RHEL-compatible distribution. I would also say CentOS…

> Rocky Linux is one of many choices for a RHEL-compatible distribution. I would also say CentOS Stream is also a viable choice. One of the main value propositions of RHEL (and RHL before it) is that each distro version has a fixed ABI throughout (kernel included), making it a valid compilation target for binary-only software. Neither Stream nor even Alma are that.

Push off if you think Alma isn't this. The differences are miniscule and basically amount to Alma's customers preferring to have some stream back ports first effectively.

If Rocky is claiming they're better their either breaking rules or lying. And if the community believes them I'm just going to walk away and talk to the business small medium and large putting their money where it matters, not in more CIQ FUD.

Re: Rocky Linux from CIQ – Hardened

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Post by rob_c »

trod1234 wrote: post #13
mmooss wrote: post #10

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> Rocky Linux is the replacement free RHEL-compatible distro Wasn't (isn't) there another CentOS replacement that was created around the same time? Are they still around? Are there alternatives or is Rocky pretty much it?

You are thinking of Alma, and I believe they are still going, though a lot seemed to be up in the air.

No, community is more stable and professional.

Frankly given I get less issues than my Rocky counterparts working 1 rack over my look of "I told you so", every time, says it all.

Re: Rocky Linux from CIQ – Hardened

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Post by jonathanspw »

stonogo wrote: post #21
jonathanspw wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AlmaLinux is still 100% compatible with RHEL. Any suggestions otherwise is FUD.

This change: https://almalinux.org/blog/future-of-almalinux/ means that Alma is no longer covered by STIGs and other RHEL-specific certifications. Rocky is usually permitted to piggyback on such things. This has directly affected deployments (my team spent time migrating from one o the other as a direct consequence). Compatible, sure, but that is a narrow view of the value CentOS provided.

STIGs are not inherited. It absolutely does not work that way.

I think you're reading into the changes completely wrong. AlmaLinux has power to actually do things, fix issues, contribute real and meaningful changes, all while maintaining 100% compatibility. A lot has been done already, with plenty more to come, with 0 compatibility issues.

Re: Rocky Linux from CIQ – Hardened

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Post by jonathanspw »

owl_vision wrote: post #20

as seen on the about page[0] "Named in honor of CentOS co-founder Rocky McGaugh" "Gregory Kurtzer, our CEO and founder," the other CentOS guy. [0] https://ciq.com/company/founding-story/

Greg kurtzer is not the founder of CentOS. This is FUD he's been regurgitating ever since tricking one of the past CentOS community managers into doing a blog post.

If you read the mailing list archives you'll see the truth.

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