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Feels disrespectful to whores, they put in the work
fair point
EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices
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Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices
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There was a time, long long ago, when the US had regulators with balls, they regulated Microsoft to stop them pulling this anti-competitive shit.
They famously did basically nothing to Microsoft and Microsoft continued to maintain a near monopoly for many years and do all the same things it had always done to keep its monopoly.
And whilst the EU was focusing on Microsoft, Google took the chance to have it's turn.
Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices
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I expect a company to operate in the interest of the customer, no matter the rules of the government.
And that's exactly what Apple is trying to do.
By crippling their devices?
Sorry, "abuse of power" is what that's called and all the more reason to fight it.
Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices
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> OR losing a substantial fraction of EU device and accessory sales, I don’t think that’s a hard one for them. It isn't hard at all. "Develop stuff the way we want, or lose sales" is really not a hard decision at all. Funny how you end up with an answer that defies all common and business sense > with AI features coming much later to the EU, if at all. They are coming despite all of Apple's posturing, and on a schedu…
Revamped AI is delayed to 2027 anyway.
Lets see how that'll go when the competition starts offering really polished LLM assistants on their devices and people see their friends use them on their 400 Euro Androids and all they get on their 1700 Euro iPhone is Siri from 2011.
Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
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No emoji is a reason HN is still good. Among many. Your comment IMO has little value to a reader. You forcefully state your opinions but give me no reason why I should adopt them or any basis on which I could challenge them. I am more interested in why you think what you do than in what you actually think. Why is that the only feature worth paying for? How are watches an "extension of this behaviour"? Why should ever…
Sure, but most comments on the internet (very much including this forum) offer zero or negative "value" to the reader. What we're doing now is typically called "socializing and discussing topics of the day", which is typically a non-transactional sort of relationship. Notably absent from this is any obligation to persuade you of anything. I won't waste my time; I know this forum and the kind of discourse people want to have. What I say on this forum is self-actualization and deep therapy saying all the stuff I can't say to my coworkers' faces when they wag their jaws.
> Some just want something that actually works.
Sure! Some people are rich and assign little "value" to money relative to time (including me). This doesn't change anything: apple still operates at deep cost to the public. All that profit could be being put to productive use outside the reach of centralized capital. But as it stands they're basically lighting aforementioned cash on fire for the vibes and quarterly reports. If I see you with white earbuds in, I'll start selling you a bridge.
Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices
#66I expect Apple will react to this by scaling down the sophistication and breadth of features they make available to EU users. That most of these capabilities exist at all reflects Apple’s belief that they’re a way to differentiate their (closed) ecosystem through vertical integration. If the EU takes that away, Apple’s motivation to invest in these areas for EU customers goes away, too.
Apple is, or has been, an EU company for tax purposes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple%27s_EU_tax_dispute
Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices
#67EU is still surprisingly naive and open for business. After TikTok getting banned(postponed for now) in US for national security reasons, and after US cutting military support and intelligence in Ukraine I was expecting for things to start rolling by now. They already start doing things on the military side of things with restricting the military equipment purchases to EU only with exceptions granted on the basis tha…
I’m not enjoying this either. I get that it’s necessary for the EU, but I’m still in favor of free trade.
Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices
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> product design culture they’ve honed for almost 50 year That's an interesting way to phrase not supporting non-Apple interoperability.
They support plenty of non-Apple interoperability. They support HTTP and IMAP and SMTP, for example. They support SMS and phone calls. They support lots of standards, including de facto standards around things like calendars. They don't support everything, but to say they don't support interoperability is silly.
> They support HTTP and IMAP and SMTP, for example. They support SMS and phone calls.
But they also need to support the updates to these standards, rather than purposely holding it back to push people to their own services which are not open.
Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was a time, long long ago, when the US had regulators with balls, they regulated Microsoft to stop them pulling this anti-competitive shit.
They famously did basically nothing to Microsoft and Microsoft continued to maintain a near monopoly for many years and do all the same things it had always done to keep its monopoly.
Microsoft became much more diversified and interoperable than it was before that crackdown.