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Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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Post by milesrout »

radicalbyte wrote: post #20
ChocolateGod wrote: post #3

As cool how unified the Apple ecosystem is, I do think the EU is right that it's extremely unfair for Apple to give its own smartwatches access to the phone that other smartwatches have zero chance of getting access to.

There was a time, long long ago, when the US had regulators with balls, they regulated Microsoft to stop them pulling this anti-competitive shit.

They famously did basically nothing to Microsoft and Microsoft continued to maintain a near monopoly for many years and do all the same things it had always done to keep its monopoly.

Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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Post by twoodfin »

ethbr1 wrote: post #26
twoodfin wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don’t have to drop it entirely, they just stop enabling features there that would trigger the EU’s gatekeeper requirements. It will hurt their competitiveness and sales, but that’s a relatively small price to pay vs. giving up the product design culture they’ve honed for almost 50 years.

> product design culture they’ve honed for almost 50 year That's an interesting way to phrase not supporting non-Apple interoperability.

It’s also a way to phrase, “Hey, we’ve figured out how to save 10% battery life on the Watch by rejiggering the sync protocol and can ship it in the next iOS / watchOS point release.”

The flexibility and agility you have when the only engineering constraints are internal are night and day vs. having to evolve a documented external spec with interop requirements.

Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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Post by groestl »

twoodfin wrote: post #16
IsTom wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dropping their second biggest region, which makes them 25% of revenue sounds unlikely. Especially as it's just putting that money into competitors' pockets.

They don’t have to drop it entirely, they just stop enabling features there that would trigger the EU’s gatekeeper requirements. It will hurt their competitiveness and sales, but that’s a relatively small price to pay vs. giving up the product design culture they’ve honed for almost 50 years.

> they just stop enabling features there that would trigger the EU’s gatekeeper requirements

Then the requirements will be adjusted.

Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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Post by intrasight »

zoobab wrote: post #31

DMA does not provide any means to run Linux on Apple devices. I don't want their shitty OS, but I like their hardware. Unfortunately, the law makers prefer to cement oligopolies (Android-iPhone), instead of installing fines for not documentating how their hardware works.

Regulating the requirement that Apple support Linux on Macs makes no sense.

What does make sense - to me anyway - is for Apple to embrace Linux because they'd sell a lot more Macs. I assume there are many thousands of developers like me that detest macOS and won't even consider a Mac. But like you said, Apple is making some amazing hardware these days. I would buy a Mac if Linux was well supported.

Apple did just fine in the early days when their hardware and software was open source. But while it got them up and running, it's not a viable business model to get to be a multi trillion dollar company. It became understood in tech that the way to be profitable was to make your competitors stack a commodity.

Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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Post by FeepingCreature »

xvokcarts wrote: post #34
troupo wrote: post #12

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> OR losing a substantial fraction of EU device and accessory sales, I don’t think that’s a hard one for them. It isn't hard at all. "Develop stuff the way we want, or lose sales" is really not a hard decision at all. Funny how you end up with an answer that defies all common and business sense > with AI features coming much later to the EU, if at all. They are coming despite all of Apple's posturing, and on a schedu…

> "Develop stuff the way we want, or lose sales" I think the wants (of the EU buyers) are far less homogeneous than the group of open integration activists make it look like, so there's no "we". We hear the opinions of the vocal ones and based on those voices regulation is enacted, but nothing changes for the silent majority. However, a lot of people in the EU may start caring if they can no longer buy what they want…

EU buyer here, I am extremely hype for forced interop and think it almost justifies the existence of the EU on its own.

Sure, most people don't care. That's the case for every regulation - policy is made by activists. Better than by corporations any day.

Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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Post by intrasight »

amelius wrote: post #39
intrasight wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are conflating user and government.

I expect a company to operate in the interest of the customer, no matter the rules of the government.

And that's exactly what Apple is trying to do.

Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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Post by [deleted] »

ForTheKidz wrote: post #25
ChocolateGod wrote: post #3

As cool how unified the Apple ecosystem is, I do think the EU is right that it's extremely unfair for Apple to give its own smartwatches access to the phone that other smartwatches have zero chance of getting access to.

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Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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Post by milesrout »

ethbr1 wrote: post #26
twoodfin wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don’t have to drop it entirely, they just stop enabling features there that would trigger the EU’s gatekeeper requirements. It will hurt their competitiveness and sales, but that’s a relatively small price to pay vs. giving up the product design culture they’ve honed for almost 50 years.

> product design culture they’ve honed for almost 50 year That's an interesting way to phrase not supporting non-Apple interoperability.

They support plenty of non-Apple interoperability. They support HTTP and IMAP and SMTP, for example. They support SMS and phone calls. They support lots of standards, including de facto standards around things like calendars.

They don't support everything, but to say they don't support interoperability is silly.

Re: EU sends Apple first DMA interoperability instructions for apps and devices

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Post by Etheryte »

ForTheKidz wrote: post #25
ChocolateGod wrote: post #3

As cool how unified the Apple ecosystem is, I do think the EU is right that it's extremely unfair for Apple to give its own smartwatches access to the phone that other smartwatches have zero chance of getting access to.

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