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Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by dragonwriter »

majormajor wrote: post #557
TimTheTinker wrote: post #553

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> lying about what they are doing seems bad Yeah, I hate that. Their talk is closer to WWE guys in the ring (at least on X) than the thoughtful orators whose pictures line the oval office. There's no thoughtful, careful, wise poise about it. There are many others like me who also dislike how things are said, but we look back at the actions taken (not words said) and are a lot more happy with them than we are with Bid…

Corruption-enablement signs: from this week, lawyerballing on reasons to ignore judicial decisions they don't like https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-hear-arguments-trump-adminis... here we just call for impeachment of judges who rule against us https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-federal-judges-impea... - “at a certain point, you have to start looking at what do you do when you have a rogue judge.” - what else you…

> and obviously there's the whole impoundment thing we've just been talking about - the executive blatantly ignoring a law that restricted that

The law didn't restrict it, the Constitution prohibits it without law allowing it. The Impoundment Control Act provided a limited allowance for impoundment, rather than actually curtailing it.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by culi »

piokoch wrote: post #276

There are certain historical inadequacies in the article. "That is, the Apollo Program brought the country together in the turbulent 1960s and helped make everyone feel good about the country" This certainly was not 100% true, as some communities protested against Apollo program [1], even though, overall, the progress it has caused helped eventually those communities as well. Nevertheless there were kind of bipartisa…

Even today this topic is often brought up in rap lyrics. Quest's last album had a song called "The Space Program" which featured the hook:

  "There ain't a space program for niggas
   Yeah, you stuck here, nigga"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Space_Program_(song)

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by culi »

indoordin0saur wrote: post #316
madeofpalk wrote: post #150

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I don't think Elon really had that much to do with this.

Before he took his recent (regrettable) turn he did pour his heart and soul (and personal fortune) into SpaceX for over a decade. If it weren't for SpaceX we'd be relying on the incompetent monstrosities of Boeing or ULA.

SpaceX is and always has been funded by NASA. Congress simply doesn't allow NASA to do its own missions any more so it's been forced to add a middle man where it pays private companies to use its technology, infrastructure, and money to do the work it wishes it could do itself

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by dragonwriter »

piokoch wrote: post #276

There are certain historical inadequacies in the article. "That is, the Apollo Program brought the country together in the turbulent 1960s and helped make everyone feel good about the country" This certainly was not 100% true, as some communities protested against Apollo program [1], even though, overall, the progress it has caused helped eventually those communities as well. Nevertheless there were kind of bipartisa…

> Nevertheless there were kind of bipartisan agreement to push this program which, in current situation of the divide in the society, would be hard to achieve,

Note that the bipartisanship of the post-WW2, pre-2000s period was almost entirely a product of the long series of overlapping political realignments going on, which left the main political divides in the country poorly aligned with the split between the major parties—there was intense political polarization, and at many times intense political violence, but it wasn't partisan because the splits cut across rather than between the major parties.

> Also the claim that 1960s were turbulent is not really correct. In fact, 1970s were really turbulent with the rise of domestic terrorism

Thr 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s were all turbulent, and domestic terrorism (including state and state-tolerated terrorism, particularly around racial issues) was quite prominent in the 1950s; “domestic terrorism” was not unique to the 1970s, though calling domestic political violence “terrorism” may have increased then.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by mrguyorama »

ethbr1 wrote: post #472
mlyle wrote: post #466

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What a long gallop. > If people in government are benefited directly or indirectly by fraud, that's literally included in the definition of corruption. Yup, that endpoint is fine and can be agreed with. People in government having a job doing something you think isn't useful isn't corruption, though. And if a few percent of the money their program spends is wasted or benefits other people through fraud-- that's not c…

Moreover, where do people think corruption comes from? The human desire to be richer and the power to make it happen. Do people think Trump, Musk, and Thiel don't want to be richer? And worse, that the poorly-vetted people who have attached themselves to this administration don't? The idea that getting rid of fraud in a chaotic fashion is going to lead to less fraud is laughable, unless the assumption is also 'All of…

>Do people think Trump, Musk, and Thiel don't want to be richer?

FYI, lots of dumb people actually DO believe that. "Oh they have so much money already" they say. They don't even attempt to square that with collecting more resources than some Gods, for, reasons.

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Post by game_the0ry »

russdill wrote: post #522
game_the0ry wrote: post #280

Disappointed to see how politicized this issue has gotten, especially on HN.

I don't know how someone aware of the facts and timeline of the situation can read this: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1141790813395... And say oh, yes, it's the people with TDS/EDS trying to set the record straight that have the problem.

The problem comes when the few things they do that are good are perceived as bad bc the people doing the good are perceived to be bad.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by 1shooner »

nailer wrote: post #464
1shooner wrote: post #452

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This is an interesting misconception, I had never considered one would think authoritarians can't be fairly elected. Is the thinking that the electorate would just never elect an authoritarian?

The term was 'authoritarian regime', which is generally used for autocratic leaders. Although 'authoritarian' is also false - political freedoms for the general population are exactly where they were prior to the election, as I'm sure you are aware.

I guess I'm not nearly as sure of what others are aware of, so I'll just provide https://www.project2025.observer as a great resource for tracking actions of the current administration.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by yellowapple »

Blackcatmaxy wrote: post #514
somenameforme wrote: post #268

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NASA in practice isn't what most people think it is. A lot of stuff they're doing is just a mixture of a terrible idea (SLS) and will never go anywhere (Artemis), amongst others. People in-the-know in space are fully aware of this, including NASA officials. But they keep cheerleading it all and pretending that everything will just be awesome. The reason is that NASA is basically forced to be political (at least their…

Blaming NASA for SLS is something I keep seeing but isn't it entirely congressional pork barrel politics that makes the SLS what it is? What degree of control does NASA itself have to force a project of that scale not to devolve into such a mess despite congressional corruption?

Exactly. If NASA had full control over how and where SLS money got spent, I can guarantee you the thing would've been a success a decade ago or more, and we'd have American boots on lunar ground full-time by now.

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Post by AcerbicZero »

MiiMe19 wrote: post #504
sanderjd wrote: post #285

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Yeah, "no one wants to outright explain what happened" is called "chilling effects" and is one of the explicit goals of an authoritarian regime like the one we have in the US now. Nobody wants to get fired and get death threats just for speaking plainly, so most people don't. Every once in awhile someone will decide it's worth the cost, but most people most of the time will decide it isn't.

>authoritarian is when the government does thing I don't like

Look as long as they keep being this salty about authoritarianism when a guy with a different letter next to his name shows up and does it, I'm fine with it.

My concern is that many won't.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by paulryanrogers »

smm11 wrote: post #324

Republican Ronald Reagan defeated Carter in the 1980 presidential election. Although Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher had completed negotiations under Algerian auspices to free the American hostages in Tehran, President Carter and Secretary of State Edmund S. Muskie, suffered to their last day in office. On January 20, 1981, the hostages were finally freed—but only after Ronald Reagan had been sworn in as…

What is the point of posting this?

Are you suggesting Trump, like Reagan, may have interfered to delay the release of citizens held up in unusual circumstances--for personal political gain?

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