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Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by majormajor »

dionian wrote: post #484
jcranmer wrote: post #431

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If your goal is cutting waste in the government, DOGE is absolutely the worst possible way to do it. The idea of bringing in a bunch of "whiz kids" who know absolutely nothing about the departments they're auditing [1], axing people arbitrarily (i.e., firing seemingly everybody who is "probationary"), and cutting programs seemingly purely by Ctrl-F'ing for keywords without even bothering to figure out if the keyword…

Congress doesnt seem to be exposing the waste that DOGE is. A rose by any other name is just as sweet

> Congress doesnt seem to be exposing the waste that DOGE is. A rose by any other name is just as sweet

So you aren't actually opposed to waste or corruption? Since corruption in the purpose of getting rid of things you personally find wasteful is fine with you? You just want the big bad scary government to employ less people? But the ones the executive does employ should be able to do whatever they want, laws be damned?

Where do you REALLY think that ends?

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by TOMDM »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #368
esskay wrote: post #136

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Nobody was stranded. It's amazing how effective lying to people has become.

They weren't stranded, they just had no way of going home which was totally and completely planned for.

But they did have a way of going home, but chose not to take it.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Post by davidguetta »

kergonath wrote: post #432
davidguetta wrote: post #122

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"Just what those political reasons were never specified. But the basic message was clear: Biden, bad; Trump, good" Bullshit. Musk was clear that the reason was that they didn't want someone pro trump having success so close to the election.

> Musk was clear that the reason was that they didn't want someone pro trump having success so close to the election. This makes no sense whatsoever. The election was in November. If that was their calculation, they’d just have cosplayed astronaut-saving heroes before Trump had an opportunity to do so, between November and January. Musk is full of it, as usual. It is not the first time some astronauts stay in space l…

Tbh i personally thought it was an common sense economic thing: why pay more for SpaceX early return + a direct flight for the other astronaut that were scheduled to work on the ISS, if you can make the ones already there work in the ISS.

> This makes no sense whatsoever. The election was in November. If that was their calculation, they’d just have cosplayed astronaut-saving heroes before Trump had an opportunity to do so, between November and January. Musk is full of it, as usual

Musk offered to bring them back way before the election so HE would have appeared as the saver (and boeing would have looked terrible). Musk is probably exaggerating, but you can't completely ignore the political forces behind all this.

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Post by timerol »

timewizard wrote: post #491
pavon wrote: post #365

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Travel time to Mars is 3-9 months depending on how fast you travel, probably still to early to know where a Space X Starship trip would fall in that range. The 5 years is referencing Musk's latest optimistic prediction for when the first manned flight would occur. Still, re-adapting to gravity on arrival will be an issue.

> is 3-9 months depending on how fast you travel That particular launch window only occurs once every two years. The Earth and Mars rotate around the Sun at different rates. During some periods Mars is on the other side of the Sun and essentially unreachable with our current level of delta-v. > latest optimistic prediction Will that be before or after fully self driving cars? Or electric semis? That drive themselves…

There is no way we would consider a manned flight to Mars outside of the "once per two years" launch window. Anyone following potential manned flights to Mars counts the windows. See https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/dtm5bc/mars_l... from 2019.

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Post by Y_Y »

voidUpdate wrote: post #222
Y_Y wrote: post #165

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> Eh, the whole space race has its origins in a propaganda war with the USSR staffed by ex-Nazi engineers. It's not more deserving of sacred purity than anything else. I certainly agree with this, but at the same time I think it's a red herring. So much good tech comes from war, but the nice thing (imho) is that it's "path independent". I'm no more going to scorn the work of Werner von Braun than I would John von Neu…

I also think that calling von Braun a Nazi isn't necessarily correct. He worked for the Nazi party, but if he didn't it probably wouldn't have worked out very well for him, and I don't think he supported their ideals all that much. He also always wanted to make his rockets, and working at Peenemünde gave him the opportunity to do that, even if it did require PoW labour. Obviously I'm not saying he was a saint, but I…

FWIW I didn't mean to make any accusations about von Braun's character. I was taking "ex-Nazi engineer" to mean someone to had been an engineer in the Nazi regime. In fairness though, he was an NSDAP member.

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Post by indoordin0saur »

ta1243 wrote: post #336
indoordin0saur wrote: post #322

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Flights to Mars in about 5 years though! I can't imagine how amazing it would be to be one of the first geologists getting out on foot and exploring those canyons, mountains, lava tubes and caves...

Not without spin gravity. Imagine 5 years of weightlessness then having to get out on foot.

6 months of zero gravity and then Mars has half gravity. ISS astronauts who stay up there for a year+ have had it far worse.

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Post by TimTheTinker »

alxjrvs wrote: post #501
TimTheTinker wrote: post #469

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> People in government having a job doing something you think isn't useful isn't corruption, though I didn't say anything about that; I don't think I know enough yet to have a fully formed opinion. But I do think that the overly powerful DC bureaucracy, DC NGOs, and corruption that holds it together is a worthy common enemy for all of us - that's what I'm trying to point out. I'm actually amazed at Democrats' positio…

> Either way, I think a pro-Democracy attitude will oppose growing power of unelected officials, regardless of political leanings. DOGE is headed by an unelected official, from a party with not a lot of Pro-democracy leanings to spare right now.

DOGE headed by Elon Musk was one of Trump's foremost campaign promises.

In terms of democracy, that is about as direct of an electoral mandate as possible.

> not a lot of Pro-democracy leanings to spare right now

How about having been duly elected in the ballot boxes? Being pro-democracy means accepting and implementing the will of the people.

(Trump disputed the election results in 2020 because he believed there was widespread election fraud. That may be evidence he was deluded, but I don't think it's necessarily evidence of being anti-democracy in his leanings.)

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Post by majormajor »

kernal wrote: post #512
reverendsteveii wrote: post #410

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For me all he had to do was not openly be a genocidal white supremacist. Maybe he needs a crew to help him with that, but I think there's something about that that's a bit more than "poor social skills" and I'm sick of pretending that me not knowing what to say to people at funerals is the same as him delivering multiple Nazi salutes at the presidential inauguration.

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The temerity of the whole TDS bullshit is the most obvious proof of an astounding lack of self-awareness on the right. Here the people obsessed with Obama around baseless internet memes for 8 years, who were clutching their pearls over Clinton having an affair, who stuck stickers of Biden on gas pumps for years, who now have latched onto "domestic terrorism" as their new favorite phrase, think dislike of Trump is some unique thing affecting just the "other team."

All you have to do is listen to Trump speak to realize he's fairly unique in quickly-obviouly-un-American ways among recent US Presidents.

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Post by indoordin0saur »

pavon wrote: post #365
ta1243 wrote: post #336

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Not without spin gravity. Imagine 5 years of weightlessness then having to get out on foot.

Travel time to Mars is 3-9 months depending on how fast you travel, probably still to early to know where a Space X Starship trip would fall in that range. The 5 years is referencing Musk's latest optimistic prediction for when the first manned flight would occur. Still, re-adapting to gravity on arrival will be an issue.

Some astronauts are able to walk around in Earth gravity immediately after getting back, though with some difficulty. Valeri Polyakov walked out of his space capsule after his 2 year stint in the Russian space station. And then there's the fact that Mars has only half the gravity. I think gravity won't be a showstopper when arriving at Mars.

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Post by nailer »

MostlyStable wrote: post #509
nailer wrote: post #493

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"regime" just means government. You are taking common associations and turning them into hard and fast rules when they aren't. "Biden regime" was a completely accurate (and frequently used) description of the last administration (and almost every other preceding administration). As for your second sentence, while it is often dramatically overstated, I think that Trump having authoritarian tendencies is pretty obvious…

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