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Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Incredible story with a great ending. This used to be an apex HN discussion. It's so sad to see it devolve into a partisan flame war.

Unsurprising that it did after the story itself devolved into a partisan flame war though, emotions are running high when the same sort of misinformation and lies are finding their way into previously sacrosanct topics like space exploration.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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"Authoritarian" is a philosophy of how to govern. It is orthogonal to whether the government was fairly elected. (It's true that many authoritarian regimes seek to eliminate or corrupt elections, but being fairly elected is compatible with being authoritarian.)

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This is an interesting misconception, I had never considered one would think authoritarians can't be fairly elected. Is the thinking that the electorate would just never elect an authoritarian?

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Are you only reading every third sentence? The return vessel was docked in September. The return was always planned to be around today, not in September. Trump and Musk are lying about the astronauts being forgotten. They're lying when they claim Biden abandoned them. As far as I can tell, NASA didn't delay for political reasons. Nor did they allow the return journey today for political reasons. This was the plan all…

If that's true, why did the astronauts confirm Musk's version of the story in an interview? Genuinely asking ...

no idea. However the above comment is easily verifiable. Here is a link saying that the return would be around February 2025 [1]. There seems no reason to believe either trump or Elon forced some sort of rush, or Biden and his administration ignored or caused some sort of slowdown. It looks like a schedule was planned and followed.

1. https://nitter.net/NASA/status/1827393397939634503

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The types of waste, fraud, and abuse matter as much as the scale. Even just a "little" (5%-10%) corruption is a moral stain on the whole thing. As it is, that "small" corruption is funding an extensive network of NGOs, nonprofits run by the families of people in government, media, etc. -- all to (a) keep a ton of money flowing to people in Washington DC and (b) protect that status quo. Politics aside, widespread corr…

People spending money in ways that you consider wasteful is not the same as corruption.

How much fraud and abuse has to occur before it's able to be labeled as "corruption"?

Fraud literally means intentional lying in accounting or other financial representations, for the purpose of improperly benefiting someone. If people in government are benefited directly or indirectly by fraud, that's literally included in the definition of corruption.

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For me all he had to do was not openly be a genocidal white supremacist. Maybe he needs a crew to help him with that, but I think there's something about that that's a bit more than "poor social skills" and I'm sick of pretending that me not knowing what to say to people at funerals is the same as him delivering multiple Nazi salutes at the presidential inauguration.

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Elon Musk is the head of the republican party and won the election? Or do you just ctrl+f for "white supremacist" and throw the same shit at every wall you find to see where it will stick?

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If Elon recognized that he had the social skills of an NPC and had hired a PR team, we would probably all still adore him and likely he would still just be doing engineering company stuff. Take heed, if you have money, power, and poor social skills, hire people to manage it for you.

I believe he has pretty good social skills, he managed to fly under the radar as a public figure for long enough, until he was powerful enough to no longer need to give a fuck.

His work history doesn't exactly say "pretty good social skills"

If he'd had better social skills, he wouldn't have been fired from x.com and made even more money from PayPal.

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Hate all you want to Elon, you still need to credit to credit due.SpaceX did awesome Job.

I don't think Elon really had that much to do with this.

In general, we selectively credit the engineers when a musk company has a success, then blame musk when there's a failure. So when Teslas have quality issues, we don't blame the manufacturing engineers and technicians; instead, we blame Musk who hand assembled every Tesla out there, right?

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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post #451

Incredible story with a great ending. This used to be an apex HN discussion. It's so sad to see it devolve into a partisan flame war.

Unsurprising that it did after the story itself devolved into a partisan flame war though, emotions are running high when the same sort of misinformation and lies are finding their way into previously sacrosanct topics like space exploration.

> previously sacrosanct topics like space exploration.

Space exploration was full of misinformation (or corporate BS, if you want to call it that way) for decades.

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