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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by CivBase »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #372
sebstefan wrote: post #47

>I was taken to the nurse’s office for a medical check. She asked what had happened to me. She had never seen a Canadian there before. When I told her my story, she grabbed my hand and said: “Do you believe in God?” >“I believe God brought you here for a reason,” she said. “I know it feels like your life is in a million pieces, but you will be OK. Through this, I think you are going to find a way to help others.” You…

It's really a way for her to externalize the responsibility to blow the whistle on the injustice she sees, enables, and takes part in: In the mind of that nurse, God is in control, so she doesn't have to feel guilty that she's complicit in illegal activities because it must all somehow be part of God's masterful, inscrutable, but absolutely, by definition "good" plan.

You're making a lot of unfair assumptions about this nurse. It's certainly possible that the nurse was a callus asshole who used her faith as justification for her actions. It's also very possible that the nurse was a sympathetic individual who didn't have the power to get Mooney out of her situation but did her best to comfort Mooney despite it.

If it's the latter, I think I'd prefer to have more people like her involved with immigration in the United States - not less.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by kcplate »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #225
kcplate wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She had only one really important job to do as vice president—become president if the president was incapable of doing the job. She, like many administration (and media), put her political party’s optics over the good of the country and tried to hide Joe Biden’s mental decline from the population. She was literally derelict in her most important duty as vice president. How could she be trusted as president? I’m an in…

This, kids, is a fine example of the cost of pride as it relates to the very important task of any and all (voting age) citizens of any country. One must choose the lesser of two evils!

Why? I hear that all the time, but no one can ever really explain why its important for me to need to feel like I am on the “winning side” of two subjective evils in a contest?

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Post by tokai »

blindriver wrote: post #252
01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #203

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Liberal values such as bullying transgender people

Liberal values like no wars, no free trade, America first and tough on illegal immigration. None of these were Republican talking points until Trump, because the Democrats abandoned every single one of those values.

Huh words have no meaning anymore do they?

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by slekker »

throw7 wrote: post #283

This is normal immigration. People caught in these "constitution free"/immigration zones need to be processed a lot faster. It's a safe bet this girl got out "fast" because of the outside pressure. We need to be hiring a lot more immigration judges/personnel that adjudicate and process these people out of the public/private prison complex.

Did you read the article? It was precisely because of the media attention that she got out fast, she even said so herself.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by otikik »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #332
otikik wrote: post #300

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And they make great baguettes. But you didn't get my point. I am an atheist. I do think that what the nurse did is wrong and unprofessional. My point is: I would still have absolutely clinged to it, if I was in the same situation as this woman. I would have talked with this nurse, and would have told her that yes, maybe God had something to do with it. And you would have too, probably. If you are drowning in the ocea…

Coincidentally or not, this is a standard cult brainwashing technique - abuse someone for an extended period, then offer them a "friend." See also, good cop vs bad cop.

Fully agree. It's abhorrent. It works, because we are human.

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Post by LPisGood »

diggan wrote: post #370
qoez wrote: post #367

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As a non american: America can get away with a lot more than this and still be an attractive place to try to move to. SF and many other places offer job opportunities the EU can't, and despite this and much more pain of trying to work there it's still worth it.

> SF and many other places offer job opportunities the EU can't, Besides a job that just pays more money, what sort of unique opportunities exists in the US that doesn't exist anywhere in Europe? Genuinely curious, as I can't seem to think of any on my own.

Lots of the best colleges in the world are in USA. That’s not to say some aren’t in the EU, but by numbers USA has Europe thoroughly outclassed.

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Post by gorbachev »

blindriver wrote: post #21

Yes. This is the reality of how it is. It’s unfair that this woman was caught in this but CBP have ultimate power crossing the border can be scary. My friend got her visa stripped and given a 10 year ban under Obama because of jokes in her text messages about a GC marriage. She didn’t get thrown in jail but she was refused entry back into the US and had to get someone to sell all her stuff while she flew back to her…

"It’s even worse in other countries."

I imagine it would be, if you visited South Sudan.

It is not "even worse" in any of the western countries. The border control people in most western countries are actually friendly. They are polite, sometimes even, gasp, smile at you.

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Post by cafard »

lavelganzu wrote: post #382
elif wrote: post #236

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RIP due process 1776-2025

Technically the "due process" clause is in the 14th Amendment, ratified 1868. ;)

"nor shall any person ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

is in the Fifth Amendment.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by jl6 »

_t9ow wrote: post #273
jl6 wrote: post #221

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She was loudly accused of having extreme positions on a hot button issue. Saying nothing was tantamount to admitting the accusation was true. That's how the court of public opinion works.

> She was loudly accused of having extreme positions on a hot button issue. She was accused of many things in bad faith, e.g. not being Black, being a Marxist, being a communist, and more. Spending time and effort to address every single one of these would have been tantamount to allowing her opponent to dictate her campaign.

None of those things had attack ads with this kind of impact:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_is_for_they/them

It was and is an important issue to a lot of voters and by ignoring it she let her opponent explain her position for her.

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