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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by Filligree »

I-M-S wrote: post #147
apwell23 wrote: post #51

> There were around 140 of us in our unit. Many women had lived and worked in the US legally for years but had overstayed their visas – often after reapplying and being denied. They had all been detained without warning. Yet they chose to feature this white person from a white country. This article reminds of beginning of ukraine war when US press was showing white ppl and saying "we need to stand with them because t…

I am a dual-nation Canadian, with the other nationality held in much lower regard by the USA administration, meaning American conduct toward much of the world is not news to me. I believe a lot of resentment Canadians currently feel towards Americans boils down to being treated the way they treat any other undesirable country.

…and the potential invasion?

I’d be worried about that in your place. I’m worried about that as a Norwegian.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by juujian »

pjc50 wrote: post #66
apples_oranges wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why agents in the field, customs, immigration etc, seem so eager to implement these changes.

Rhetorical question, or are you genuinely asking?

I wonder why they chose to work for ICE...

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by contagiousflow »

AlexandrB wrote: post #183
pjc50 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, the bad behavior of one person justifies mistreatment of an entire group.

Could you please engage with the issue instead of making emotional appeals. You're saying this isn't a problem at all? What about the rights of the women affected by the bad actor(s)? Do you have some proposed solution for identifying the "one person" doing bad behavior? The Democratic Party refused to grapple with these questions either and their electoral loss is going to do far more harm to trans rights than some…

What actual policies prevent bad behavior?

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by mellosouls »

sebstefan wrote: post #47

>I was taken to the nurse’s office for a medical check. She asked what had happened to me. She had never seen a Canadian there before. When I told her my story, she grabbed my hand and said: “Do you believe in God?” >“I believe God brought you here for a reason,” she said. “I know it feels like your life is in a million pieces, but you will be OK. Through this, I think you are going to find a way to help others.” You…

And yet, it gave her great comfort. Perhaps she knows her job better than you?

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by gs17 »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #12

I traveled to the US (from my country -France- and many others) for 12 years. About a trip every month. The last time was 10 years ago. I never had any problems (outside the horrible behaviour of border officers who show you that you are not welcome). I was stopped once by a policeman when I did an illegal car maneuver (which is tolerated in France), and when he realized I was a tourist with family, he just said, "Be…

> outside the horrible behaviour of border officers who show you that you are not welcome

They've always (in my life, which is largely post 9/11) done that to US citizens too. Going into Canada it was "where are you going to? the beach, eh? have a nice day!", coming back seemed to be performed under the suspicion that our passports were fake and our car was made out of drugs. Despite doing nothing wrong, we were always afraid of getting in trouble because a border agent felt like it.

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Post by sejje »

causal wrote: post #321
sejje wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This is an article about immigration which is highly relevant to US tech

Would they cover it on TV news?

There's little-to-no discussion about the implications on tech, based on my reading of the comments.

Just general politics and nationalism.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by qoez »

drumhead wrote: post #22

If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjec…

As a non american: America can get away with a lot more than this and still be an attractive place to try to move to. SF and many other places offer job opportunities the EU can't, and despite this and much more pain of trying to work there it's still worth it.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by graemep »

swat535 wrote: post #269
drumhead wrote: post #22

If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjec…

New America? I beg to differ. The United States has always been hostile to outsiders—what’s different now is that they’re not even trying to hide it. As a naturalized Canadian, crossing the U.S. border has always been a frustrating ordeal. Despite holding a valid Canadian passport, I’m routinely subjected to an extra hour of “security” questioning. Maybe I’m just unlucky. Or maybe it’s because I was born in an "undes…

> Or maybe it’s because I was born in an "undesirable" Middle Eastern country and have brown skin. One time I was detained for 5 hours and were questioned about "Islam" (ironically, I'm a Christian so I couldn't answer their questions).

Scary levels of prejudice and ignorance there. Prejudice against Muslims and I am guessing not knowing about Middle Eastern Christians exist.

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Post by causal »

transcriptase wrote: post #88
BizarreByte wrote: post #28

The specifics of this case are largely irrelevant to me, the fact is I am scared to cross the border into the US at this point. For the foreseeable future I will not be travelling to the US for any reason. Canada is safe and there is nothing in the US worth risking my freedom for. I will remain here and I will continue to avoid travel to America as well as spending money on American goods/services.

The specifics are seemingly irrelevant to everyone. She had her work visa revoked at the Canadian border because her company in California was allegedly making THC beverages in violation of federal law. She was told to visit a consulate to straighten it out. Instead she flew to Mexico and tried to enter there with new and obviously fake job offer. She was treated like anyone else would, but it’s international news be…

Disingenuous take, did you even read the article?

1) She was not detained in connection with any crime whatsoever. At no point was her company's use of THC stated as a reason for detainment.

2) You have invented the idea that her second job was fake. If it were, then fraud could have been a crime and reason for detainment- but again, the article makes it clear no crime was charged or cited.

3) You are right that plenty of non-white people are also going through this. I wish that was also enough to motivate people to care.

The point is that removing due process for anyone is a threat to everyone. It could be you next. You might think, "Not if I'm a citizen and not a criminal" - but the whole point of due process is getting the opportunity to prove that you are in fact a citizen and not a criminal. That right is eroding.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by diggan »

qoez wrote: post #367
drumhead wrote: post #22

If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjec…

As a non american: America can get away with a lot more than this and still be an attractive place to try to move to. SF and many other places offer job opportunities the EU can't, and despite this and much more pain of trying to work there it's still worth it.

> SF and many other places offer job opportunities the EU can't,

Besides a job that just pays more money, what sort of unique opportunities exists in the US that doesn't exist anywhere in Europe? Genuinely curious, as I can't seem to think of any on my own.

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