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Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Just last year NASA launched the largest ever interplanetary space-craft, and hopefully the first craft to approach and conduct scientific studies on Europa. SpaceX is almost entirely focused on getting humans into space - which is great - but NASA's work is not to be discounted.

The Europa Clipper is really cool. I think the Cassini Huygens that launched in 1997 has greater mass though. SpaceX isn't entirely focused on getting humans to space since they launch the vast majority of satellites thanks to great innovations in reducing the cost of launches, such as reusable rockets. But there are some competitor launch vehicles coming soon that could be interesting as well.

Europa Clipper is 6.1T whilst Huygens was 5.6T: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heaviest_spacecraft . Also worth mentioning that Jupiter is much further away on average.

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Berger is an excellent journalist. He’s very knowledgeable about space topics, has good sources, and has been extremely fair to Musk in the past. When he says it’s a “throne of lies”, a line has been crossed.

Firstly, I understand people will disagree with me on this and that's fine – if you disagree please just explain why. Based on what I've read on this, I can see why Trump and Elon MIGHT feel like the return flight was held back for political reasons... But I'm not really able to take either side of this argument as it stands, so I'll give my thoughts for why that is in the hope someone might be able to convince me on…

> Firstly, the assumption that NASA is apolitical should be questioned. This might just be my ignorance, but I still haven't seen any good reasoning for why NASA would delay the return flight. As others have noted the capsule was already there, but NASA seemingly just decided to randomly keep them up there months longer than necessary? Why?

Why is anybody actually thinking that? The return of Crew-9 is the culmination of a well orchestrated series of missions to cope with the outage of Starliner Calypso. It may have slipped the attention of some, but space missions are not like buying groceries. These assumptions are basically just betraying a lack of understanding how space travel works. Musk, OTOH, should know this.

Furthermore, there is the long-standing policy of having at least one working capsule at the ISS for emergencies. A lifeboat or escape pod, so to speak. Plus, there are only two docking slots for large-enough capsules, such as Starliners or Dragons, on the ISS. So you have to schedule your trips even more than for normal space missions. You have to coordinate and swap crafts in sequence and deal with the launch windows schedule -- which is exactly what has happened. Again, Musk should know this.

> I think there's an argument to be made that if the Biden administration was friendlier with Elon and didn't go out of their way to alienate him that this return flight would have happened earlier too. Perhaps because Elon could have spoke to Biden directly as he did with Trump, or because NASA would have changed their calculation on the PR of the return.

Why would the CEO of a contractor of a US government agency need to speak to the president of the USA to do the job they were hired for? The agency has more capable people to decide on such matters than any White House staff.

It's all a huge charade of grandstanding and chest-thumping. Disappointing.

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"corp-owned slave town" in space human slave is literally most expensive labor you can choose, automatons is the way

Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft... and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. - Werner von Braun Thanks to delayed effects of radiation and such, people are the automatons. Extremely commodity and robust. Humanity, (or to be fair, safety) in my work is cooler, actually. Nothing beats my bed! The worst political nonsense I get caught in means a phone call. Not an extended…

oh yes lets send a spaceship that full of leading edge tech with unskilled human labor, sounds about right

maybe you must see real world first, drinkable water and plant is literally of the most rare thing in the universe surpassing mineral and metal, one of the most abundant things in space

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale, A tale of a fateful trip, That started from this tropic port Aboard a Boeing ship Two astronauts went up that day, They both were brave and true, The Starliner delivered them, To join ISS crew. ...for an eight day station tour. The testing on the Starliner, Was thoroughly performed. Although it probably was safe, The NASA team were warned. So the Starliner came home to Eart…

Thanks, I didn't know about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilligan%27s_Planet or I didn't remember it. Maybe it never made it into my country.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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The drone footage is absolutely amazing (as compared to any other camera angle from the recovery boat where you would expect to have better quality but was actually awful). I had trouble, for a moment, believing that it was not CGIed. Is there any information about what drone/camera equipment was used?

Parachutes were majestic

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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NASA awarded the deorbit contract to SpaceX during the Biden administration. The ISS is coming down whether you like it or not. The more you knew about this, the more you'd be okay with it. The station was obsolete before it was even built. NASA likes to justify the space station as a laboratory studying the effects of longterm space flight on humans; the results were in decades ago: it fucks people up. Human bodies…

Well, okay, the same arguments can be used to question why we need (crewed) space exploration at all. It's extremely expensive, it doesn't really bring any new scientific data. We've been to the Moon already, and what there is still to know about it can also be learned with robotic probes. Same goes for mining. Exploring Mars can also be done very well without involving humans. Colonization, you say? Maybe fix our pr…

See my edit, Mars colonization isn't happening. And if NASA were serious about developing the future of human spaceflight they would be developing spin Hans, not trying to build the same bullshit over and over again.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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post #201

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The Europa Clipper is really cool. I think the Cassini Huygens that launched in 1997 has greater mass though. SpaceX isn't entirely focused on getting humans to space since they launch the vast majority of satellites thanks to great innovations in reducing the cost of launches, such as reusable rockets. But there are some competitor launch vehicles coming soon that could be interesting as well.

Europa Clipper is 6.1T whilst Huygens was 5.6T: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heaviest_spacecraft . Also worth mentioning that Jupiter is much further away on average.

I got my numbers mixed up --- you're right, the Europa Clipper is bigger by all metrics.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft... and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. - Werner von Braun Thanks to delayed effects of radiation and such, people are the automatons. Extremely commodity and robust. Humanity, (or to be fair, safety) in my work is cooler, actually. Nothing beats my bed! The worst political nonsense I get caught in means a phone call. Not an extended…

oh yes lets send a spaceship that full of leading edge tech with unskilled human labor, sounds about right maybe you must see real world first, drinkable water and plant is literally of the most rare thing in the universe surpassing mineral and metal, one of the most abundant things in space

The unskilled labor would be the parents, but I can tell the metaphor is lost. Not sure why I bother explaining that.

Re: Crew-9 Returns to Earth

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post #147

Hate all you want to Elon, you still need to credit to credit due.SpaceX did awesome Job.

Compared to the very first test, everything worked better and looked greased. From the HD drone footage (via Starlink I presume), to the fast arriving boats, quick hypergolic fuel leak checks, roping up, loading onto ship, retrieving crew, going home.

Only thing missing really is landing on land and crew offboarding just like that by themselves.

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