"You know that boundary that we agreed upon a while back? We're gonna violate that boundary now. This is not an opportunity to negotiate a new agreement, we're gonna do whatever we want to you because we're big and you're little." Stuff like this is why I've cut amazon out of my life entirely. No more new devices, no more new purchases, cancelled prime, all of it gone.
I honestly wonder how legal that is. If you bought something under the pretense that you could disable cloud stuff and then it silently starts uploading to the cloud, that's a violation of your agreement. If they start dropping all requests until you assent to their shrinkwrap agreement, that still feels like a violation of the promises they made when you bought it, but unfortunately has precedent. See also: all the…
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#683People don't really care about privacy, it's as simple as that. Yes, they worry about privacy, and complain about violations of privacy. But if they cared, they never would have purchased this product in the first place. There are bits of technology which violate privacy, but are extremely difficult to fully avoid: Social Media, (I know a lot of HN isn't on it, but how about most of your family and friends?) smart ph…
> People don't really care about privacy, They really do. Do you have anything other than a blind assertion to back this up? > they worry about privacy, and complain about violations of privacy Yea, so, looks like they do care. > they never would have purchased this product in the first place They were lied to, baited in, and the terms switched. Your assertion is ridiculous and one sided. > Social Media, I'm sharing…
Continued human behavior online. The actual behavior of users does not suggest they consider, on average, that their privacy is being violated every time they put more data into Facebook, Google, Amazon, etc.
If you want to use this as a case study, come back to this topic in a year and see if Alexa sales and / or usage has gone down or up. It's at about 600 million installed units and 77 million users right now (and that's after someone's Alexa dataset was used as evidence in their murder trial two years ago... If people cared, wouldn't the line go down, not up?).
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#684People don't really care about privacy, it's as simple as that. Yes, they worry about privacy, and complain about violations of privacy. But if they cared, they never would have purchased this product in the first place. There are bits of technology which violate privacy, but are extremely difficult to fully avoid: Social Media, (I know a lot of HN isn't on it, but how about most of your family and friends?) smart ph…
This argument, "People don't really care about ...", is not so much an argument as it is a rationalization for amoral or simply bad behavior on the part of the seller/supplier. It is the rationale for the existence of regulation by government. The person who is in a position to protect the interests of the customer, whether or not the customer 'cares', has a moral obligation to take care. When the supplier chooses no…
... including the War on Drugs. We should be very cautious about asserting our value system over the value system of other people who are customers of these tools, lest the end result is a situation where people are no happier (and not much safer).
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If you buy the steering wheel of a car and rent the rest of the car and then the owner comes in the middle of the night and takes the wheels, is it theft?
Do people rent their amazon echo or buy it? I had the impression it was the later.
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> tend to do worse That's a subjective evaluation, no? ;) I'm sure their parents would say they did way better on the religion/dogmatism ruler! > So many families around us homeschool This seems like the "gateway drug" to cult indoctrination and worries me. I'm going in completely the other way- My son (who will be 4 in June) is going to a good public school system here for socialization reasons , and I will suppleme…
I've met and worked with some of the most startlingly brilliant home schooled people, that are utterly crippled socially. They ended up being unable to work with others, despite on paper they ought to be leaders. People underestimate the critical value of childhood socialization. When a child finds they do not know the giant host of media nonsense other kids know intimately, they cannot participate in a huge amount o…
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To finish the story here, a look back: https://bsalert.com/news/2596/Who_Are_You_Better_Than.html People in this country perennially choose wanting to be "better than" over wanting to be happy.
Working class solidarity is the only solution. I recently realized that people should understand they have more in common with (and must have solidarity with) the next people down on the socio-economic rung instead of trying to climb the ladder in hopes of joining those on the next rung up.
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> Should not the burden of proof be on Amazon to prove it's not always recording? What's a satisfactory burden of proof for Amazon to meet here? There's only so much you can do to prove that something is NOT happening.
They have a lot of ways they could’ve built trust without a full negative burden: which of them, if any, are they doing? Open sourcing of their watch word and recording features specifically, so people can self-verify it does what it says and that it’s not doing sketchy things? Hardware lights such that any record functionality past the watch words is visible and verifiable by the end user and it can’t record when no…