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Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by StayTrue »

linotype wrote: post #21
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case, I believe Canadians are taking issue with the treatment they may get at the border. They don't want to be sent to detention because of a simple misunderstanding with an over zealous border security guard who is scared of losing their job if they accidentally let the left one in.

My wife was threatened with not being allowed into the country due to a DUI (in the US) from five years ago. We had to pay a $250 fee to spend three days in Victoria.

Do you feel an injustice has been perpetrated against you? The Canadian attitude towards admission vis a vis DUI convictions predates the first Trump administration by a lot.

OTOH Victoria schoolchildren used to do cross border field trips. They ended the practice during the Trump Muslim ban to avoid trauma to kids.

Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by drivingmenuts »

Given that Trump has threatened Canada, why would any Canadian want to come to the US? Even if the threats were just some jacked-up negotiating scheme, their nature was serious enough to warrant some form of protest and not traveling here and spending money is something that can be done without risk.

Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by polishdude20 »

linotype wrote: post #16
3vidence wrote: post #10

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America aggressively trying to question Canadian sovereignty makes Canada the fareweather friend..... Got it. With friend like these who needs enemies. The American ignorance on this site is really starting to drive me away.

Most people in the US consider Canada a friend not an enemy or the 51st state. It’s stupid that Trump and his cronies are able to kill so quickly what was a great friendship.

I think what's important to keep in mind is how, yes, the current majority of Americans are fine with Canada and don't agree with the measures Trump has imposed. The problem is when both countries citizens start bling eachother rather than blaming the opposing administration.

Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by cwillu »

linotype wrote: post #17
ahartmetz wrote: post #4

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I think non-fairweather friends are about them staying with you when you're in trouble. This is you CAUSING them trouble on purpose.

I didn’t vote for Trump.

A citizen's obligations to the world does not begin and end with “votes for the right person”.

Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by 3vidence »

polishdude20 wrote: post #33
linotype wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people in the US consider Canada a friend not an enemy or the 51st state. It’s stupid that Trump and his cronies are able to kill so quickly what was a great friendship.

I think what's important to keep in mind is how, yes, the current majority of Americans are fine with Canada and don't agree with the measures Trump has imposed. The problem is when both countries citizens start bling eachother rather than blaming the opposing administration.

This is unacceptable "both sides"-ism, the US government has made direct threats to the Canadian government and people. Canadians are rightfully taking issue with it.

Part of the reason Canadians are boycotting American goods and services is to force us citizens to voice issue with their government.

At this point the issue remains with the American people to address their government.

What adminstration in the Canadian government is there for Americans to oppose?? Nobody even knows the source of the tarrif issue.

Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by yongjik »

linotype wrote: post #17
ahartmetz wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think non-fairweather friends are about them staying with you when you're in trouble. This is you CAUSING them trouble on purpose.

I didn’t vote for Trump.

Trump is threatening their country, and since Canadians cannot vote in the US, there's only one effective way they can drain Trump's power, which is economic warfare. Economic downturn is well correlated with incumbents losing an election.

You are asking Canadians to put some random group of Americans' interest in front of their own self-interest. I think the ship has sailed.

Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by YZF »

text0404 wrote: post #28
YZF wrote: post #7

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What percentage of travelers are running into problems? How does that compare to other countries? How does it compare to your probability of being detained where you are anyways? Not to belittle the anecdotal issues but without any baseline or comparison this is meaningless scare mongering. People are denied entry, detained and strip searches in every border all over the world, every day, all the time. If you think s…

these incidents - among an escalating number of other, similar incidents - are a grave betrayal of the US’ purported values, especially when it claims to be morally better than "other countries" who routinely violate the rights of people who aren't breaking any laws (in one case, literal torture techniques were used on a permanent resident of the US). furthermore, the point is to call these things out as soon as they…

I disagree. What we have here is that random incidents that happen all the time are seized on to make a political point.

From that linked article: " The US CBP denied the allegations, with assistant commissioner of public affairs Hilton Beckham telling Newsweek: “These claims are blatantly false with respect to CBP.” "

There is no "escalating number" of similar incidents. If there are then show me the numbers. It's not news that border guards occasionally get power trips and take it out on whoever happens to be there. I can find you dozens of examples over the year[s] (and if I've heard of dozens there's many more). This is out of 10's of millions or more entries. When you're arrested you also might be strip searched, forced to shower, and other inconveniences. Is it great? No. Is it new? Not really.

What we need to call out isn't the US not living up perfectly to its purported values. That's not exactly news. Civil forfeiture anyone? What we need to call out is the crazy political climate and people becoming hysterical over anecdotes. If we do see a clear pattern that things are shifting in a major way- then we'll talk. Having a fact based, not an emotion based, political discourse is the important thing.

Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by pseudalopex »

linotype wrote: post #25
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your original comment just sounded MAGA! You've softened it considerably with the added explanation. I think, however, most Canadians (and the rest of the world) know it's a minority opinion in the US, but that doesn't change the fact that 1) there were enough people in the US that voted him in 2) there weren't enough people in the US that voted opposing him and, most importantly, 3) it's the ensuing behaviour of "th…

Yeah I guess I’ll just have to deal with it. This site already was pretty anti-US, now it’s just ramped up. Maybe it’s time to stop reading the comments. Like there’s nothing I can do about Trump, I only have one vote in California.

> This site already was pretty anti-US

No.

Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by locopati »

YZF wrote: post #14
healsdata wrote: post #13

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Your first article immediately says that the government is investigating and other articles point out the man was found carrying cocaine. Your second article points out that someone was arrested on suspicion of a crime and will go on to face a judicial process to establish innocence or guilt. If you think those two cases are comparable to the two I provided, I'm not sure we can have a productive discussion on this ma…

Which of your points have I ignored exactly? You're ignoring my point which is that similar things happen all over the world all the time and without any comparative data they are just anecdotes. Is the Trump administration applying a different policy? Absolutely. Does that make the US materially less safe for most of us? Open question. Almost certainly not. So yes, we're not going to have a productive discussion whe…

what they're doing at the border now, they'll do to citizens within the country later. so, yes, this makes the US materially less safe.

Re: Canadian Devs Are Backing Out of Attending GDC

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Post by bloak »

jmclnx wrote: post #2

I cannot blame them. It is really too bad. I remember the days were to travel between the US and Canada only required some kind of ID. There were many times I was just waved through, no stopping. Most of the time I was asked for my name and then let through. After 2001 you needed a special ID and now it is a PITA. I wonder how long before an official VISA is needed. So much for the longest unprotected border in the w…

To be fair, the border between France and Germany is only about 400 km and about half of it is protected by a fairly wide river. Europe is generally quite small. There might be some much longer unprotected borders in Africa or South America.
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