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AI Is Making Developers Dumb

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Re: AI Is Making Developers Dumb

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I'm giving a programming class and students uses LLMs all the time. I see it as a big problem because: - it puts focus on syntax instead of the big picture. Instead of finding articles or posts on Stack explaining things beyond how to write them. AI give them the "how" so they don't think of the "why" - students almost don't ask questions anymore. Why would they when an AI give them code? - AI output contains notions…

Job market will verify those students, but the outcome may be potentially disheartening for you, because those guys may actually succeed one way or another. Think punched cards: they are gone along with the mindset of "need to implement it correctly on first try".

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LLMs also take away the motivation from students to properly concentrate and deeply understand a technical problem (including but not limited to coding problems); instead, they copy, paste and move on without understanding. The electronic calculator analogy might be appropriate: it's a tool appropriate once you have learned how to do the calculations by hand. In an experiment (six months long, twice repeated, so a on…

What do you think is the big difference between these tools and calculators?

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Re: AI Is Making Developers Dumb

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Calculators do not accept ambiguous instructions and they work 100% of the time.

>> Calculators do not accept ambiguous instructions and they work 100% of the time. That is stated with a lot of confidence :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43066953 https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/courses/resources/example... https://matheducators.stackexchange.com/questions/27702/what...

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Re: AI Is Making Developers Dumb

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LLMs also take away the motivation from students to properly concentrate and deeply understand a technical problem (including but not limited to coding problems); instead, they copy, paste and move on without understanding. The electronic calculator analogy might be appropriate: it's a tool appropriate once you have learned how to do the calculations by hand. In an experiment (six months long, twice repeated, so a on…

I wish I had an LLM as a student because I couldn’t afford a tutor and googling for information was tedious. It’s the college’s responsbility now to teach students how to harness the power of LLMs effectively. They can’t keep their heads in the sand forever.

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Re: AI Is Making Developers Dumb

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A personal anecdote from my previous place: A junior developer was tasked with writing a script that would produce a list of branches that haven't been touched for a while. I've got the review request. The big chunk of it was written in awk -- even though many awk scripts are one-liners, they don't have to be -- and that chunk was kinda impressive, making some clever use of associative arrays, auto-vivification, and…

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Good job he wrote that down.

Plato deliberately did not put some of his teachings into writing and only taught them orally, because he found written text unfit for the purpose. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%27s_unwritten_doctrines

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Re: AI Is Making Developers Dumb

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> I got into software engineering because I love building things and figuring out how stuff works. That means that I enjoy partaking in the laborious process of pressing buttons on my keyboard to form blocks of code. I think this is a mistake. Building things and figuring out how stuff works is not related to pressing buttons on a keyboard to form blocks of code. Typing is just a side effect of the technology used. I…

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Re: AI Is Making Developers Dumb

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It's also making the sleazy and lazy one thrive a bit more, which is quite painful when passionated devs which are also great colleagues don't gain any real leverage from chatgpt.

Humble craftsmen have long been getting replaced by automation and technology. Devs are resisting the same way as everyone else did before them but it's futile. It's just especially poignant/painful because developers are being hoisted by their own petard, so to speak.

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