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Re: FBI, EPA, and Treasury told Citibank to freeze funds to claw back climate money

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Post by TheNewsIsHere »

ipython wrote: post #130
roenxi wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only political figure convicted while Biden was in office was… Biden. He was then pardoned. By his father. Is that really the example you want to use to show Joe Biden upholding the rule of law fairly? I don't even think it is particularly bad, there is a standing convention that presidents can do illegal things and get away with it as long as it isn't too sensitive, apparently that extends to close family. So…

I realize no set of facts will change your mind. The difference between the classified documents cases has been pointed out several times in this thread, yet you continue to point to that as some kind of evidence of equivalence. If you don't want to acknowledge the difference between owning up to a fuckup and intentionally obstructing an investigation to try and cover up your misdeeds, there’s nothing more to be said…

Creating false equivalencies between situations that _sound_ like they might be similar but aren’t the same thing, is one of the logical fallacies most frequently deployed by Trump’s MAGA base. To some extent it’s a waste of time to engage, although I applaud that you attempted to do so in good faith.

Re: FBI, EPA, and Treasury told Citibank to freeze funds to claw back climate money

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Post by QuantumGood »

lawn wrote: post #122
QuantumGood wrote: post #113

Thank you for not flagging this, yet.

Aged like sour milk.

Hacker News seems one of the best places to discuss politically-influenced news, yet because such discusssions are near-univeraally fraught in some way, it is discouraged, which is not my preference. I have seen in checking the history of some HN commentors that it is not uncommon for those who say some version of "no politics, please" say it when they disagree with the general slant of those discussions where they make such comments.

Re: FBI, EPA, and Treasury told Citibank to freeze funds to claw back climate money

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Post by Vilian »

lazyeye wrote: post #60

Non-profits and ngos have such enormous potential for fraud and abuse. You get your political friends to setup an ngo, give it a nice name like "Climate Progress Coalition" or "Equity Action Network" etc. Hand it a billion dollars of hard-earned taxpayer money and it can then do (without oversight) what would be illegal for the govt to do with oversight. The potential for abuse is limitless...million-dollar salaries,…

>Non-profits and ngos have such enormous potential for fraud and abuse.

That's such a bullshit argument that only a us-american can make, only someone hearing for years anti-goverment, anti-regulation, pro capitalism propaganda can say that without any proof, y'all look like you want that distopia, be happy with it then

Re: FBI, EPA, and Treasury told Citibank to freeze funds to claw back climate money

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Post by Vilian »

lazyeye wrote: post #121
kristjansson wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes yes American nonprofits, with their mandatory annual public financial disclosures including key individuals salaries, famously a great and easy way to misappropriate monies.

Sorry but this is a ridiculously naive take.

Said the one that didn't even bring a proof for their statements

Re: FBI, EPA, and Treasury told Citibank to freeze funds to claw back climate money

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Post by stouset »

Vilian wrote: post #134
lazyeye wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry but this is a ridiculously naive take.

Said the one that didn't even bring a proof for their statements

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

GP was dismissing the original assertion.

Re: FBI, EPA, and Treasury told Citibank to freeze funds to claw back climate money

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Post by reseasonable »

QuantumGood wrote: post #132
lawn wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aged like sour milk.

Hacker News seems one of the best places to discuss politically-influenced news, yet because such discusssions are near-univeraally fraught in some way, it is discouraged, which is not my preference. I have seen in checking the history of some HN commentors that it is not uncommon for those who say some version of "no politics, please" say it when they disagree with the general slant of those discussions where they m…

A dedicated hacker news of politics site is long overdue. Civil discussions, amazing moderation, and the intelligent insight of experts to hash out complex issues. I’d be on it and participating nearly all day long.

Re: FBI, EPA, and Treasury told Citibank to freeze funds to claw back climate money

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Post by reseasonable »

Aloisius wrote: post #120
roamerz wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>The constitution requires that the president "take care that the laws be faithfully executed". You mean like Biden enforcing our border laws?

Em. Deportations increased substantially under Biden. That said, laws generally permit some leeway to the executive to set spending priorities/focus. It can be pretty limited since Congress tends to specify what department and sometimes program money must be spent on, but it still it allows for things like deciding you're going to prosecute more drug dealers even though they're long shot cases rather than easier to w…

Didn’t you hear from Fox News that all CBP officers were instructed to stand back and stand by while illegals waltzed into our country to commit crime?? They literally played solitaire on their phones for 4 years straight. /s

Back the Blue apparently includes demonizing their daily effort to process asylees, rescue families in danger, and arrest gang-affiliated criminals, all while forgetting that crossing the border illegally is a civil offense akin to a speeding ticket. But now that we are a physical threat to their safety, we supposedly have a secure border.

Re: FBI, EPA, and Treasury told Citibank to freeze funds to claw back climate money

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Post by roenxi »

ipython wrote: post #130
roenxi wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only political figure convicted while Biden was in office was… Biden. He was then pardoned. By his father. Is that really the example you want to use to show Joe Biden upholding the rule of law fairly? I don't even think it is particularly bad, there is a standing convention that presidents can do illegal things and get away with it as long as it isn't too sensitive, apparently that extends to close family. So…

I realize no set of facts will change your mind. The difference between the classified documents cases has been pointed out several times in this thread, yet you continue to point to that as some kind of evidence of equivalence. If you don't want to acknowledge the difference between owning up to a fuckup and intentionally obstructing an investigation to try and cover up your misdeeds, there’s nothing more to be said…

> I realize no set of facts will change your mind. The difference between the classified documents cases has been pointed out several times

If new facts come out I might, but the these facts are fairly long in the tooth by now and they aren't persuasive. When it came out that Biden was doing the same thing an already flimsy case fell apart in in the clowny way that things do when Trump is involved. The best part is they just did a big poll over in the US and the verdict came back that they very much prefer Trump and he can do whatever he likes with classified documents.

There is a lesson here for the Dems; if they want to paint their opponent as bumbling and corrupt they shouldn't have appointed someone as bumbling and corrupt as Biden to the top job. They had a good few years and now that decision has gotten them another dose of Trump.

> If your cherry picked metric for a good president is “didn’t start a war”...

I don't know what your complaint is about that, wars are one of the most crippling mistakes that US presidents keep making, both in terms of global and domestic damage done. The resources wasted are gargantuan, the death tolls staggering, the cruelty are unbearable and the cynicism dark. The risks of something going really badly wrong are unacceptably high too. If focusing on that grim stain on America's honour is cherry picking then you should consider doing more of that. It's one of the big issues in the US and an ongoing one.

> It’s pretty clear to me the only person who Trump cares about is Trump.

Yeah we all know. You don't have to tell the right wingers that politicians suck, that is core plank of right-wing theory of governance is that they're all irredeemable scum or close to becoming that. The problem is the leftist delusion that there is a way to consistently find good politicians is what gets them caught flat-footed when someone like Biden gets the spotlight shined upon them, costing arguments credibility.

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Post by kristopolous »

kyleee wrote: post #115
kristopolous wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Traditionally when people are on an endless campaign of accusation, they are actually up to their ears in whatever they're accusing others of. The anti-gay politician is exposed as gay, the evangelical pastor is leading a life of excess and vice, people talking about fake news fabricate deceptions and try to pass it off as news... This is generally so reliable, you can just change the pronouns from "They" to "We" and…

I suspect Epstein was not motivated by sex, rather he was likely some sort of spook. We will probably never know unfortunately

What gives you that idea

Re: FBI, EPA, and Treasury told Citibank to freeze funds to claw back climate money

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Post by roenxi »

darksaints wrote: post #129
roenxi wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only political figure convicted while Biden was in office was… Biden. He was then pardoned. By his father. Is that really the example you want to use to show Joe Biden upholding the rule of law fairly? I don't even think it is particularly bad, there is a standing convention that presidents can do illegal things and get away with it as long as it isn't too sensitive, apparently that extends to close family. So…

Biden gave Trump way more leniency about improperly storing classified documents than he gave himself. Because trump didn’t merely improperly store those documents, he stole them and then hid them and then lied about their existence when questioned about them, and then refused to give them back when formally asked for them. Stop pretending that Trump is the same as Democrats. He is in a league of criminality that he…

He's not the same, he's an improvement. The Democrats are the sort of people who lose to Trump; they aren't very impressive.
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