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Post by __loam »

genewitch wrote: post #683
__loam wrote: post #336

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They're suing Internet Archive because IA scanned a bunch of copyrighted books to put online for free (e: without even attempting to get permission to do so) then refused to take them down when they got a C&D lol. IA is putting the whole project at risk so they can do literal copyright infringement with no consequences.

During covid, when everyone was told to stay at home and not do anything, the library offered library books. And what they actually did is violate the requirement to have a physical copy of the book they were lending. As I understand it, they did not offer anything new that wasn't available to loan prior. I could be wrong. But if I'm not, I see no reason to lambast IA.

It's not lambasting to communicate what happened. IA got a C&D, refused to comply, and got sued for copyright infringement. The courts sided with the publishers when IA tried to claim it was fair use (technologists seem to have a pattern of stretching the definition of fair use). They've put their entire project at risk because they've repeatedly ignored the law here. That's just what happened.

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

Ray20 wrote: post #764
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #707

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Salt was used to pay salaries at one time too, and ML/"AI" business models projecting information asymmetry are now paradoxical as a business goal. Note: Data centers often naturally colocate with cold-climates, low-cost energy generation facilities, and fiber optic distance to major backbones/hubs. At a certain scale, Energy cost is more important than location and hardware. The US just broke its own horses leg with…

>If businesses have opportunity to cut their operational variable costs >25%, than one can be fairly certain these facilities won't be located on US soil. Is there opportunity? Lower risks and energy prices may well outweigh the cost of tariffs. It is not like any other horse in the race has perfectly healthy legs.

>Is there opportunity?

Depends on the posture, as higher profit businesses may invest more into maintaining market dominance. However, the assumption technology is a zero-sum economic game was dangerously foolish, and attempting to cheat the global free market is ultimately futile.

Have a wonderful day, =3

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Post by jokethrowaway »

Xelynega wrote: post #523
jokethrowaway wrote: post #11

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centralising power never works well for the good of society

Interesting way to put it after seeing a very specific "centralizing of power", that being the people with the most capital making the decisions. Why would centralizing power in a different way(e.x. democratically) not lead to a different outcome than centralizing power in the way we do now?

I don't think someone with more capital should be able to make the decisions

That's what we're getting with "democracy" because ultimately swaying the opinion of a lot of people (in this technological time) requires money. No wonder the powerful elite or their puppets end up making decision for the majority.

No, what I advocate for is for decentralisation of power, I don't want any central entity making choices for me.

Someone with capital should be able to offer to buy me out but they shouldn't be able to tax me or decide what happens to me or my property.

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Post by jokethrowaway »

danans wrote: post #34
jokethrowaway wrote: post #11

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centralising power never works well for the good of society

It's not true that it never works. Centralizing production goals, decision making, and expenditure at the Federal government is what made the industrial response to WW2 successful. Centralizing tax revenue to fund retirements for the elderly (Social Security) resulted in the poverty rate of seniors being brought far lower. Centralizing zoning control at the state of California is _finally_ starting to make localities…

I think it can work for a short period of time if you have enlightened leaders or if the political machine wants to please you; they always alternate pleasing some people and upsetting others so that they can keep control.

Over a long period of time the interest of the powerful will always win. There is a reason if no government (whether left or right) can fix the situation and inequality between the top 0.01% and the rest keeps increasing.

The only solution to maximise wellbeing for individuals is to reduce the amount of control the powerful can exert on the rest of society.

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Post by giraffe_lady »

ArthurStacks wrote: post #666
giraffe_lady wrote: post #418

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What do you mean by "deal with it?" Because to me it looks like they're dealing with it by joining in solidarity with other artists, raising awareness about how this affects them and us and lobbying for regulation they think would improve the situation. I guess you meant they should deal with it by just letting it happen to them quietly and without a fight? Is that how you would deal with your livelihood being preven…

Deal with it as in them accepting there is nothing they can do to stop it. Other countries arent going to follow whatever laws they manage to get in place in the US.

So not deal with it so much as just shut up about it?

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Post by andruby »

enriquec wrote: post #738
madsbuch wrote: post #737

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Yep, let's wing serving 400 million sandwiches - whatever the risk that the US population dies of salmonella or listeria. Anyways, one of the things about growing up is realizing that there is more to the world than just innovation.

I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility and not looking at the government/daddy to protect you from everything. If I sell 400 million skateboards - do we need a regulatory board to approve skateboard design changes? I'm sure millions of people make unregulated sandwiches at home just fine.

> I'm sure millions of people make unregulated sandwiches at home just fine.

Very little about that sandwich is unregulated. The bread they bought in the store is regulated. Whatever they put on the sandwich is regulated.

Without the FDA, companies would put profits above food safety.

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Post by NoOn3 »

JonChesterfield wrote: post #276
NoOn3 wrote: post #230

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According to this scheme, if you find a bug and can read the bank's data, then you can use it as you want.

Nope, have to feed it into an llm first, afterwards it's legitimate.

No need for a LLM. Humans always have their own neural networks in their heads. :)

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Post by swexbe »

adventured wrote: post #773
nand_gate wrote: post #558

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They've no moat so I don't see them surviving without a gov't bail out like this.

OpenAI has a gigantic moat. No moat means Joe Anybody can compete with them. You just need billions in capital, a zillion GPUs, thousands of hyper skilled employees. You need to somehow get the attention of tens of millions of consumers (and then pull them away from the competition, ha). Sure. The same premise was endlessly floated about eg Uber and Google having no moats (Google was going to be killed by open search…

Microsoft is providing the compute, the capital, and if 365 Copilot takes off, also the consumers.

Microsoft has a mote. Oai does not.

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Post by mschuster91 »

bnchrch wrote: post #734
mschuster91 wrote: post #604

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> Technology has made enforcing copyright impossible Has it? I think not. Governments could require AI training companies on Western markets to respect robots.txt (with strict fines for violators), and nations who do not respect this should be cut off of the Internet anyway.

Let me point to two things 1. China (they don't care about your copyright) 2. No single entity controls internet access. (thank god)

> 1. China (they don't care about your copyright)

They don't but we can (and should have) sanctioned them to oblivion until they care.

> 2. No single entity controls internet access. (thank god)

Force the large telecom providers in Western nations and the banks to cut ties.

We have the possibilites, all we need is politicians with guts to actually pull it off.

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Post by DrFalkyn »

jppittma wrote: post #757
baby_souffle wrote: post #742

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> I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility What could I have done here to know that the sandwich is contaminated with salmonella before eating it?

I can see a world where there's a private alternative to the FDA going around and certifying that food is safe for consumption. I just know that the world before the FDA didn't have one, and the FDA works well enough that I'm not willing to find out. I think this has a lot of parallels to software - if it ain't broke don't fix it.

And that organization would be bought off by Big Food quickly
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