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Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by jncfhnb »

triceratops wrote: post #174
jncfhnb wrote: post #172

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It absolutely is fair use to copy a book for your personal archives. The fair use criteria considers whether it is commercial in nature (in this case it is not) and the “ the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work” for which a personal copy of a personally owned book is non existent. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/107 You would get laughed at by the legal system t…

> It absolutely is fair use to copy a book for your personal archives. There's no legal precedent for this. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43356042 > the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work A copyright holder's lawyer would argue that having and using a photocopy of a book keeps the original from wearing out. This directly affects the potential market for the wor…

You’re now arguing the assumption without a precedent you don’t have the right to do something. That’s not how the law works. If you believe that the courts would laugh at a publisher trying to bring suit against you for doing this, then you believe you have the right to do it.

Such a case would not require a year or a ton of money to defend. In fact, the potential damages would be so small that you could sensibly do it in small claims court.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by CaptArmchair »

enriquec wrote: post #738
madsbuch wrote: post #737

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Yep, let's wing serving 400 million sandwiches - whatever the risk that the US population dies of salmonella or listeria. Anyways, one of the things about growing up is realizing that there is more to the world than just innovation.

I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility and not looking at the government/daddy to protect you from everything. If I sell 400 million skateboards - do we need a regulatory board to approve skateboard design changes? I'm sure millions of people make unregulated sandwiches at home just fine.

> personal responsibility

A sense of personal responsibility dilutes very quickly as more people get involved. This is a well researched dynamic in groups and collectives.

As it turns out, it's very easy to rationalize your own actions if you can defer your responsibility to a wider context. On an operational level: "My job - HR, SRE engineering, project management,... - didn't hurt anyone.", "I received an industry award last year for my work",... On a strategic level: "Too many people rely on us, so we can't fail.", "Our original mission didn't change.", "Our mission was, is and will be a net positive", ... Not just that, actually being convinced that those rationalizations are 100% true, and not being able to consciously notice how your own actions in a small, or large, way contribute to a negative impact. Just listen to testimonies of these people, the truly are convinced to their core that their work is a net positive for humanity.

> If I sell 400 million skateboards - do we need a regulatory board to approve skateboard design changes?

Suppose your design involves a wonky wheel. If you sell 10 skateboards, and 1 person falls, breaks their leg and decides to sue you for damages: that's a private problem between you and that person. If you sell 400 million skateboards, and millions of people people break their leg: that's a problem for the entirety of society.

Safety is also why car design is heavily regulated. Not necessarily to ensure individual safety, but to make sure that society, as a whole, isn't crippled by hundreds of thousands of people requiring care or getting killed in car accidents.

If you are able to sell 400 million skateboards, I sure hope there are regulations that enforce the safety of your product design.

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Post by rsoto2 »

enriquec wrote: post #738
madsbuch wrote: post #737

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Yep, let's wing serving 400 million sandwiches - whatever the risk that the US population dies of salmonella or listeria. Anyways, one of the things about growing up is realizing that there is more to the world than just innovation.

I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility and not looking at the government/daddy to protect you from everything. If I sell 400 million skateboards - do we need a regulatory board to approve skateboard design changes? I'm sure millions of people make unregulated sandwiches at home just fine.

Part of the thing about growing up is realizing that you are a PRIVELEGED little product of a stable society. And maybe it's worth caring about others in that society instead of "corporate innovation" that threatens to fully destabilize said society.

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Post by rsoto2 »

enriquec wrote: post #738
madsbuch wrote: post #737

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, let's wing serving 400 million sandwiches - whatever the risk that the US population dies of salmonella or listeria. Anyways, one of the things about growing up is realizing that there is more to the world than just innovation.

I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility and not looking at the government/daddy to protect you from everything. If I sell 400 million skateboards - do we need a regulatory board to approve skateboard design changes? I'm sure millions of people make unregulated sandwiches at home just fine.

google survivorship bias

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Post by rsoto2 »

danlivingston wrote: post #740
enriquec wrote: post #738

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I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility and not looking at the government/daddy to protect you from everything. If I sell 400 million skateboards - do we need a regulatory board to approve skateboard design changes? I'm sure millions of people make unregulated sandwiches at home just fine.

Yeah, making sure there's a standard of cleanliness or food safety in restaurants seems kind of pointless, right? If the consumer eats that food, it's their fault for sure.

I mean, I didn't get poisoned my whole life! Let's get rid of all the regulations obviously they are useless.

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Post by dmix »

DesaiAshu wrote: post #729
dmix wrote: post #718

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I remember for years people on HN said Uber would never work as a profitable business because it spent a lot of VC money earlier on without having enough revenue to cover it all. It's been around for 16yrs now despite running in the black until 2023.

uber is like a fine wine. it will appreciate and pay dividends until it bursts when waymo et. al. take over the streets in 20 years

Waymo has ~1000 cars. Uber has 8 million drivers. Worst case Uber will be acquired or merger or make a deal with one of the many AI driving startups.

I predict Waymo will have their own struggles with profitability. Last I heard the LIDAR kit they put on cars costs more than the car. So they'll have to mass produce + maintain some fancy electronics on a million+ cars.

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Post by jppittma »

baby_souffle wrote: post #742
enriquec wrote: post #738

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I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility and not looking at the government/daddy to protect you from everything. If I sell 400 million skateboards - do we need a regulatory board to approve skateboard design changes? I'm sure millions of people make unregulated sandwiches at home just fine.

> I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility What could I have done here to know that the sandwich is contaminated with salmonella before eating it?

I can see a world where there's a private alternative to the FDA going around and certifying that food is safe for consumption. I just know that the world before the FDA didn't have one, and the FDA works well enough that I'm not willing to find out. I think this has a lot of parallels to software - if it ain't broke don't fix it.

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Post by fsndz »

code_runner wrote: post #720

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Post by enriquec »

rsoto2 wrote: post #753
enriquec wrote: post #738

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility and not looking at the government/daddy to protect you from everything. If I sell 400 million skateboards - do we need a regulatory board to approve skateboard design changes? I'm sure millions of people make unregulated sandwiches at home just fine.

Part of the thing about growing up is realizing that you are a PRIVELEGED little product of a stable society. And maybe it's worth caring about others in that society instead of "corporate innovation" that threatens to fully destabilize said society.

You don't know anything about me. By the way, how many regulators/states have "fully destabilized" society through war and genocide?

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Post by Ray20 »

api wrote: post #684
Animats wrote: post #555

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