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OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by enriquec »

interactivecode wrote: post #730
code_runner wrote: post #720

Its sort of crazy to think about how big tech companies have a smaller and smaller window to be a "fun" and interesting story/idea. Facebook was pretty fun for a bit, google was obviously an idea factory for a while and even stuff like the doodles were a big deal. Stuff like Uber and AirBnB were controversial at some levels but still generally "game changers" in specific industries and it was fun/interesting to be ea…

There is so much "fun" to be had without new regulation shooting you down immediately. It's just that when you (or your niche) gets to a large enough size where it (might) impact enough people negatively. Regulations are needed. And if you ask me very sensible. OpenAI has about 400 million weekly users at the moment. Can you imagine the regulations you would have to comply with if you want to serve 400 million sandwi…

IMO - this mentality kills good* innovation.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by enriquec »

jdiez17 wrote: post #559
sitkack wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also textbook Fascism. Trump should have a Most Favored Corporate status, each corporation in a vertical can compete for favor and the one that does gets to be "teacher's pet" when it comes to exemptions, contracts, trade deals, priority in resource right access, etc.

What do you think Melon Tusk is doing, apart from letting out his inner (and outer) (and literal) child on the world stage?

so edgy

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by pintxo »

thedevilslawyer wrote: post #637
srg0 wrote: post #623

Copyrighted material includes works by authors from outside the US. By Berne convention, the exceptions which any country may introduce must not "conflict with a normal exploitation of the work" and "unreasonably prejudice the legitimate interests of the author". So if at least one French author does license their work for AI training, then any exception of this kind will harm their legitimate interests and rob them…

> then any exception of this kind will harm their legitimate interests Pray tell what legitimate interest of the author is harmed by LLM's training on that work? No one is publishing the authors book.

The legitimate interest that there does not exist a tool that allows any random person to create art in the same style as she does? Which could arguably devalue their offering?

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by bnchrch »

mschuster91 wrote: post #604
bnchrch wrote: post #306

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I think you missed the point. Technology has made enforcing copyright impossible, and any attempt to enforce it just hinders technological advancement, while still not solving the global enforceability of copyright. Lets stop wasting our time on this concept, the laws around it and the whole debate. Copyright is dead. I'm arguing lets move on.

> Technology has made enforcing copyright impossible Has it? I think not. Governments could require AI training companies on Western markets to respect robots.txt (with strict fines for violators), and nations who do not respect this should be cut off of the Internet anyway.

Let me point to two things

1. China (they don't care about your copyright)

2. No single entity controls internet access. (thank god)

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

janalsncm wrote: post #454
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #378

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https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/18/chinese-regulators-begin-tes... "Socialist values" is literally the language that China used in announcing this. Here is a recent article from a Chinese source: https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202503/1329537.shtml Although censorship isn't mentioned specifically, it is definitely 99% of what they are focused on (the other 1% being scams). China practices Rule by law, not Rule of law, s…

> China practices Rule by law, not Rule of law In practice the US is less different than you imply. For the vast majority of Americans, being sued is a punishment in and of itself due to the prohibitive costs of hiring a lawyer. In the US we have a right to a “speedy” trial but there are many people sitting in jail now because they can’t afford the bail get out. Speedy could mean months. I say this because when we co…

No one has pure rule of law, but at least the USA has it as a goal. The Chinese government has stated explicitly that rule of law isn’t a goal, so it leads to a very different legal system from ours. You have to think much more deeply about the spirit of the law and the flippant intentions of the official class that has all the power (the judicial system isn’t allowed to check official power, or even interpret ambiguous or competing laws).

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by baconbrand »

enriquec wrote: post #731
interactivecode wrote: post #730

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is so much "fun" to be had without new regulation shooting you down immediately. It's just that when you (or your niche) gets to a large enough size where it (might) impact enough people negatively. Regulations are needed. And if you ask me very sensible. OpenAI has about 400 million weekly users at the moment. Can you imagine the regulations you would have to comply with if you want to serve 400 million sandwi…

IMO - this mentality kills good* innovation.

Innovation is not an inherently good thing.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by madsbuch »

enriquec wrote: post #731
interactivecode wrote: post #730

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is so much "fun" to be had without new regulation shooting you down immediately. It's just that when you (or your niche) gets to a large enough size where it (might) impact enough people negatively. Regulations are needed. And if you ask me very sensible. OpenAI has about 400 million weekly users at the moment. Can you imagine the regulations you would have to comply with if you want to serve 400 million sandwi…

IMO - this mentality kills good* innovation.

Yep, let's wing serving 400 million sandwiches - whatever the risk that the US population dies of salmonella or listeria.

Anyways, one of the things about growing up is realizing that there is more to the world than just innovation.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by enriquec »

madsbuch wrote: post #737
enriquec wrote: post #731

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO - this mentality kills good* innovation.

Yep, let's wing serving 400 million sandwiches - whatever the risk that the US population dies of salmonella or listeria. Anyways, one of the things about growing up is realizing that there is more to the world than just innovation.

I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility and not looking at the government/daddy to protect you from everything. If I sell 400 million skateboards - do we need a regulatory board to approve skateboard design changes?

I'm sure millions of people make unregulated sandwiches at home just fine.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by madsbuch »

enriquec wrote: post #738
madsbuch wrote: post #737

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, let's wing serving 400 million sandwiches - whatever the risk that the US population dies of salmonella or listeria. Anyways, one of the things about growing up is realizing that there is more to the world than just innovation.

I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility and not looking at the government/daddy to protect you from everything. If I sell 400 million skateboards - do we need a regulatory board to approve skateboard design changes? I'm sure millions of people make unregulated sandwiches at home just fine.

There is a concept I'd recommend you to get familiar with: Systemic risk.

Nobody really cares about you and your sandwich.

But whenever we introduce single point of risk into the society these needs to be managed.

Fair enough, you are personally responsible and don't eat the sandwich.

The rest of the US was not.

- at least you retain your right to claim "What did I say".

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by danlivingston »

enriquec wrote: post #738
madsbuch wrote: post #737

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, let's wing serving 400 million sandwiches - whatever the risk that the US population dies of salmonella or listeria. Anyways, one of the things about growing up is realizing that there is more to the world than just innovation.

I think one of the things about growing up is accepting personal responsibility and not looking at the government/daddy to protect you from everything. If I sell 400 million skateboards - do we need a regulatory board to approve skateboard design changes? I'm sure millions of people make unregulated sandwiches at home just fine.

Yeah, making sure there's a standard of cleanliness or food safety in restaurants seems kind of pointless, right? If the consumer eats that food, it's their fault for sure.
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