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Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by redox99 »

ch4s3 wrote: post #188

I'm surprised to see only one comment here addressing the issue of Chinese AI companies just flatly ignoring US copyright and IP laws/norms. I wonder if there is a viable path where we can facilitate some sort of economic remuneration for people who write and create visual art while not giving up the game to Chinese companies. This seems to be a thorny dilemma.

None of the AI companies care about copyright lol. They just went from openly admitting the use of Books3, to being secretive about their dataset.

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Post by cogman10 »

jacksnipe wrote: post #703
ghshephard wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't heard that definition of "Regulatory Capture" before. I mostly thought it was just when the regulators are working for industry instead of the people. That is, the regulators have been "Captured." The politicians who nominate the regulatory bodies are paid off by industry to keep it that way.

You’re correct that this is the broad definition, but GP is correct that that is a very common form of regulatory capture in the US.

I agree. I wasn't trying to strictly define it just specify the form it usually takes.

In the case of OpenAI, were I to guess, they'll likely do things like push for stronger copyright laws or laws against web scraping. Things that look harmless but ultimately will squash new competitors in the AI market. Now that they already have a bunch of the data to train their models, they'll be happy to make it a little harder for them to get new data if it means they don't have to compete.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by nonethewiser »

xvector wrote: post #534
light_triad wrote: post #377

It coincides with this: OpenAI calls DeepSeek ‘state-controlled,’ calls for bans on ‘PRC-produced’ models https://techcrunch.com/2025/03/13/openai-calls-deepseek-stat... On HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43355779

Really funny to see Sam whining about Elon "playing unfair" while attempting to do this with DeepSeek.

Why isnt he doing this with Elon?

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Post by nonethewiser »

avgd wrote: post #618
ch4s3 wrote: post #188

I'm surprised to see only one comment here addressing the issue of Chinese AI companies just flatly ignoring US copyright and IP laws/norms. I wonder if there is a viable path where we can facilitate some sort of economic remuneration for people who write and create visual art while not giving up the game to Chinese companies. This seems to be a thorny dilemma.

> Chinese AI companies just flatly ignoring US copyright It is increasingly tiresome to see this clearly racist bias at work when every US company doing AI has been acting the same way. https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell... https://piracymonitor.org/chat-gpt-trained-using-pirated-e-b...

Why do you call this racist?

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Post by nonethewiser »

eleveriven wrote: post #582
pr337h4m wrote: post #9

>Chris Lehane, OpenAI’s vice president of global affairs, said in an interview that the US AI Safety Institute – a key government group focused on AI – could act as the main point of contact between the federal government and the private sector. If companies work with the group voluntarily to review models, the government could provide them “with liability protections including preemption from state based regulations…

Wouldn't be shocking if that were the case. Big companies often play both sides

>In a 15-page set of policy suggestions released on Thursday, the ChatGPT maker argued that the hundreds of AI-related bills currently pending across the US risk undercutting America’s technological progress at a time when it faces renewed competition from China. OpenAI said the administration should consider providing some relief for AI companies big and small from state rules – if and when enacted – in exchange for voluntary access to models.

The article seems to indicate they want all AI companies to get relief from these laws though.

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Post by [deleted] »

code_runner wrote: post #720

Its sort of crazy to think about how big tech companies have a smaller and smaller window to be a "fun" and interesting story/idea. Facebook was pretty fun for a bit, google was obviously an idea factory for a while and even stuff like the doodles were a big deal. Stuff like Uber and AirBnB were controversial at some levels but still generally "game changers" in specific industries and it was fun/interesting to be ea…

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Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by nonethewiser »

yonran wrote: post #369
msp26 wrote: post #45

Relevant (I don't know why the article doesn't link to them directly): https://openai.com/global-affairs/openai-proposals-for-the-u... https://cdn.openai.com/global-affairs/ostp-rfi/ec680b75-d539...

Thank you. I am disappointed that almost none of the comments here discuss the OpenAI proposals on the merits. I do hope that the federal government heeds most of these ideas, particularly recognizing that training a model should be fair use.

The narrative of "regulatory capture" breaks down pretty fast when you see they are arguing all AI companies should be get relief from these laws.

In fact most of the proposal sounds like it could have been written by the US government. Exporting democratic AI, neutralize PRC benefit of American AI, etc.

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Post by adastra22 »

robbiep wrote: post #568
adastra22 wrote: post #561

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Safety” was in air quotes for a reason. The Claude peoples’ idea of “AI safety” risks are straight out of the terminator movies.

Wouldn’t you rather have a player concerned with worst case scenarios?

These aren't worst-case scenarios. That would imply there was an actual possibility of it happening.

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Post by DesaiAshu »

dmix wrote: post #718
breckenedge wrote: post #709

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they’re not making money[1], and competitors are, or competitors are able to run at a negative for longer, then things could definitely wrap up for them quickly. To most consumers, LLMs will be a feature (of Google/Bing/X/Meta/OS), not a product itself. [1] https://www.itpro.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/peo...

I remember for years people on HN said Uber would never work as a profitable business because it spent a lot of VC money earlier on without having enough revenue to cover it all. It's been around for 16yrs now despite running in the black until 2023.

uber is like a fine wine. it will appreciate and pay dividends until it bursts when waymo et. al. take over the streets in 20 years

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Post by interactivecode »

code_runner wrote: post #720

Its sort of crazy to think about how big tech companies have a smaller and smaller window to be a "fun" and interesting story/idea. Facebook was pretty fun for a bit, google was obviously an idea factory for a while and even stuff like the doodles were a big deal. Stuff like Uber and AirBnB were controversial at some levels but still generally "game changers" in specific industries and it was fun/interesting to be ea…

There is so much "fun" to be had without new regulation shooting you down immediately. It's just that when you (or your niche) gets to a large enough size where it (might) impact enough people negatively. Regulations are needed. And if you ask me very sensible.

OpenAI has about 400 million weekly users at the moment. Can you imagine the regulations you would have to comply with if you want to serve 400 million sandwiches? or just run a parking lot for 400 million cars or literally anything else.

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