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Post by NeutralCrane »

api wrote: post #684
Animats wrote: post #555

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That's in progress. It's called the MAGA Parallel Economy.[1] Donald Trump, Jr. is in charge. Vivek Ramaswamy and Peter Thiel are involved. Azoria ETF and 1789 Capital are funds designed to fund MAGA-friendly companies. But this may be a sideshow. The main show is US CEOs sucking up to Trump, as happened at the inauguration. That parallels something Putin did in 2020. Putin called in the top two dozen oligarchs, and…

Why are these idiots trying to ape Russia, a dumpster fire, to make America great again? If there’s anyone to copy it’s China in industry and maybe elements of Western Europe and Japan in some civic areas. Russia is worse on every metric, even the ones conservatives claim to care about: lower birth rate, high divorce rate, much higher abortion rate, higher domestic violence rate, more drug use, more alcoholism, and m…

Because they aren’t interested in “making America great again”, that’s the marketing line used to sell it to American voters. They are solely interested in looting the nation for personal gain.

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Post by derivagral »

selfhoster11 wrote: post #643
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> It was invented to prevent verbatim reprints of books It was also invented to keep the publishing houses under control and keep them from papering the land in anti-crown propaganda (like the stuff that fueled the civil war in England and got Charles I beheaded). Probably one of the biggest brewing fights will be whether the models are free to tell the truth or whether they'll be mouthpieces for the ruling class. As…

That's why I am a big proponent of local, open-weights computation. They can't shut down a non-compliant model if you're the one running it yourself.

I agree this would be a positive direction, but something that gives me pause is the forced upgrades and hardware cycle of both mac and windows now. They both scan files in your system constantly for various reasons, so for this purpose you're really stuck on *nix variants, right?

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Post by jacksnipe »

ghshephard wrote: post #553
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Regulatory capture is usually the company pushing for regulations that align with the business practices they already implement and would be hard for a competitor to implement. For example, a car company that wants to require all other manufactures to build and operate wind tunnels for aerodynamics testing. Or more realistically, regulations requiring 3rd party sellers for vehicles.

I haven't heard that definition of "Regulatory Capture" before. I mostly thought it was just when the regulators are working for industry instead of the people. That is, the regulators have been "Captured." The politicians who nominate the regulatory bodies are paid off by industry to keep it that way.

You’re correct that this is the broad definition, but GP is correct that that is a very common form of regulatory capture in the US.

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Post by h2zizzle »

falcor84 wrote: post #285
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Aaron Swartz, cofounder of Reddit and inventor of RSS and Markdown, was hounded to death by an overzealous prosecutor for downloading articles from JSTOR, with the intent to learn from them. He was charged with over a million dollars in fines and could have faced 35 years in prison. He and Sam Altman were in the same YC class. OpenAI is doing the same thing at a larger scale, and their technology actually reproduces…

I'm familiar with Aaron Swartz's case, and that is actually why I phrased it as "books". In any case, while tragic, Swartz wasn't prosecuted for copyright infringement, but rather for wire fraud and computer fraud due to the manner in which he bypassed protections in MIT's network and the JSTOR API. This wouldn't have been an issue if he downloaded the articles from a source that freely shared them, like sci-hub.

It would be incredibly naive to assume that the scraping done for these models did not at any point circumvent protections.

The fundamental contention is that both accessed, saved and distributed material that they didn't have a "right" to access, save, and distribute. One was made a billionaire for it and another was driven to suicide. It's not tragic, it's societal malpractice.

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Post by potato3732842 »

claude_thinking wrote: post #689
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They've no moat so I don't see them surviving without a gov't bail out like this.

LLM usage is still gaining traction. OpenAI may not be on top anymore, but they still have useful services, and they aren’t going under anytime soon. And time spent dealing with laws and regulations may decrease efficiency, leading to increased power consumption, resulting in greater water usage in datacenters for cooling and more greenhouse gas emissions. Controlling demand for services is something that could stop…

>And time spent dealing with laws and regulations may decrease efficiency, leading to increased power consumption, resulting in greater water usage in datacenters for cooling and more greenhouse gas emissions.

They don't care about that if they get a regulatory moat around them.

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

bigbuppo wrote: post #566
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The artificial token commodity can now be functionally replicated on a per location basis on $40k in hardware (far lower cost than nvidia hardware.) Copyright licensing is just a detail corporations are well experienced dealing with in a commercial setting, and note some gov organizations are already exempt from copyright laws. However, people likely just won't host in countries with silly policies. Best regards =3

So you're saying I should avoid REITs focusing on US-based hyperscale datacenters for AI workloads?

Salt was used to pay salaries at one time too, and ML/"AI" business models projecting information asymmetry are now paradoxical as a business goal.

Note: Data centers often naturally colocate with cold-climates, low-cost energy generation facilities, and fiber optic distance to major backbones/hubs.

At a certain scale, Energy cost is more important than location and hardware. The US just broke its own horses leg with tariffs before the race. Not bullish on the US domestic tech firms these days, and sympathize with the good folks at AMCHAM that will ultimately be left to clean up the mess eventually.

If businesses have opportunity to cut their operational variable costs >25%, than one can be fairly certain these facilities won't be located on US soil.

Have a great day =3

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Post by dmix »

hirsin wrote: post #496
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> This moves the cost of LLM errors from the customer to the company offering the service. So does that mean AI companies are going to have insurance/litigators like doctors and models will be heavily lawyered to add more extensive guardrails. I'm assuming this means not just OpenAI but any service that uses LLM APIs or open models? For ex: If a finance business pays to use an AI bot that automates interacting with d…

No, the exact opposite. This says that if the AI that a bank is paying for locks your bank account in error because your name sounds , it's the banks problem to fix, not yours to just live with (entirely. You still likely have a problem).

How is that the opposite of what I said?

> not just OpenAI but any service that uses LLM APIs or open models

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Post by breckenedge »

claude_thinking wrote: post #689
nand_gate wrote: post #558

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They've no moat so I don't see them surviving without a gov't bail out like this.

LLM usage is still gaining traction. OpenAI may not be on top anymore, but they still have useful services, and they aren’t going under anytime soon. And time spent dealing with laws and regulations may decrease efficiency, leading to increased power consumption, resulting in greater water usage in datacenters for cooling and more greenhouse gas emissions. Controlling demand for services is something that could stop…

If they’re not making money[1], and competitors are, or competitors are able to run at a negative for longer, then things could definitely wrap up for them quickly. To most consumers, LLMs will be a feature (of Google/Bing/X/Meta/OS), not a product itself.

[1] https://www.itpro.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/peo...

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Post by mr90210 »

WiSaGaN wrote: post #429

Before Deepseek, Meta open-sourced a good LLM. At the time, the narrative pushed by OpenAI and Anthropic was centered on 'safety.' Now, with the emergence of Deepseek, OpenAI and Anthropic have pivoted to a national security narrative. It is becoming tiresome to watch these rent seekers attacking open source to justify their valuations.

> rent seekers

Finally someone described them by who they are, rent f* seekers.

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