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Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by hansmayer »

jemmyw wrote: post #681
hansmayer wrote: post #630

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I mean, look at it this way. Let's say you purchase a Woody Allen film on DVD. Will anyone seriously prosecute you for watching it at home together with your friends? No, that falls within normal usage. But let's say you now organise a local watching event with the same DVD for 200 people in a hall somewhere, and charge everyone, whatever, $6 - just to cover the hall expenses. Will you be prosecuted? Very likely. Lib…

Right, but those 200 people won't be prosecuted for watching it, which was my point. The example I was thinking about when posting would be putting up a copy of copyright art in a public place. The people in the public place are not breaking the law by looking at it, only the person who placed it... well even then, would the workers who put it up be liable? Probably not, it's not reasonable for someone who puts up bi…

I do agree with this example in general. But I guess from my point of view, the OpenAI comes across more like the person enabling the use of copyrighted art, and would thus be subject to copyright regulations. Their users I'd see rather as the people viewing the art in public, perhaps unaware of the copyright restrictions. But it also seems like these discussions in themselves are a bit of distraction. If the LLMs worked exactly as they are being hyped up for the third year now, I think we all would get behind the effort. Who would care about copyrights if a magic machine could lead us into the so-called post-scarcity world, right? But sadly it does not appear to be nowhere near that goal, nor will it be, based on what we know about how the technology works. So here we are, discussing if mechanical parrots should read our books :)

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by thedevilslawyer »

srg0 wrote: post #652
Palmik wrote: post #644

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What I think the parent meant is the interest to sell license to others to train on their data.

Exactly. Some copyright holders do license their work for AI training. It certainly happens in the music industry, but I don't see why texts would be any different. The exception would harm their business.

Example please? It's always been fair use to train on accessible data. It's how for eg: so much of research has been going on for decades.

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Post by mkoubaa »

api wrote: post #197
svilen_dobrev wrote: post #115

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> ask for regulation then ask for exempt That's exactly what has been happening: Ask HN: Why is OpenAI pushing for regulation so much - 2023 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36045397

OpenAI lobbied for restrictive rules, and now they want an "out" but only for themselves. Absolute naked regulatory capture.

And it probably would have worked if David Sacks wasn't the AI czar. The Harris administration would probably have caved by now

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Post by beezlebroxxxxxx »

torginus wrote: post #660
beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: post #491

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Most people find the traditional explanation for copyright, "everything emerges from the commons and eventually returns to the commons, so artists and creators should be entitled to ownership of intellectual property for a limited amount of time." The problem becomes when "limited" is stretched from 5 years from moment of publishing, say, to an artist's life + 150 years. Most people find the former reasonable and the…

The problem is (almost) everything the US has a competitive edge on is based on copyright. I'm in Europe, and during the past few weeks with these tariff upsets, I kinda realized the only thing I use or own that are US-made are computers and software. If someone could hack into Apple, download the schematics of their chips and the source for their OS, and then post it on the internet, after which a third party could…

> If someone could hack into Apple, download the schematics of their chips and the source for their OS, and then post it on the internet, after which a third party could sell commercial products based on said data, there wouldn't be a software/hardware economy around of very long.

Part of this tension arises out of a social understanding: we want competition precisely because we value the way it keeps an industry/nation "alive" --- there will be "winners and losers"--- and yet we also want to balance that with a coherent idea of ownership such that it's not just a complete lawless free-for-all. In other words, we don't want intellectual property to be too strong because it's economically and culturally stultifying.

Business interests naturally seek the complete nullification of competition, so they promote as strong as possible copyright protections; while the vox populi understands that common culture is the primordial goo that all intellectual property arises out of and returns to and finds copyright at base rather arbitrary. The legal, political, and social, understanding of copyright we have has arisen out of balancing these competing interests (themselves in productive competition) understanding that finding the right balance is precisely what has made a country like America, for example, so successful.

That the balance seems so out of whack in the direction of large and monopoly seeking business suggests the ways in which large business interests exerts undo influence on the legal and political landscape.

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Post by gizzlon »

thrance wrote: post #432
secondary_op wrote: post #379

Free market y all ! OpenAI calls DeepSeek 'state-controlled,' calls for bans https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43355779

It is the free market though. That's what inevitably happens when locks put in place in the past to prevent rampant wealth and power concentration get blown up. A truly free market always devolves into a bunch of oligarchs gaining too much power and dictating their laws.

Someone else posted here that instead of talking about "free markets" we should talk about "competitive markets".

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Post by qoez »

fsndz wrote: post #264
pr337h4m wrote: post #9

>Chris Lehane, OpenAI’s vice president of global affairs, said in an interview that the US AI Safety Institute – a key government group focused on AI – could act as the main point of contact between the federal government and the private sector. If companies work with the group voluntarily to review models, the government could provide them “with liability protections including preemption from state based regulations…

DeepSeek really shook them to their core. Now they go for regulatory capture. Such a huge disappointment. Open source AI will win: https://medium.com/thoughts-on-machine-learning/the-laymans-...

They were always going for regulatory capture. I think deepseek shook them but I don't think we should rewrite the history as them being virtuous only until 2024.

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Post by DrillShopper »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #685
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #136

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Chinese AI must implement socialist values by law, but law is a much more fluid fuzzy thing in China than in the USA (although the USA seems to be moving away from rule of law recently).

So? US AI must implement US rules by law. AI models are heavily censored and tend to favor certain political viewpoints.

Which political viewpoints do you think that AI models currently favor?

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Post by DrillShopper »

yieldcrv wrote: post #451
triceratops wrote: post #328

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> breaking into a closet "The closet's door was kept unlocked, according to press reports" When's the last time a kid with no record, a research fellow at Harvard, got threatened with 35 years for a simple B&E?

They threaten Its the plea or sentencing where that stuff gets taken into account for a reduction to community service

I'm glad you still have that much faith in the system. That's much more faith than I have in the system (and more faith than I had in the system back then, too).

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Post by abenga »

api wrote: post #684
Animats wrote: post #555

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That's in progress. It's called the MAGA Parallel Economy.[1] Donald Trump, Jr. is in charge. Vivek Ramaswamy and Peter Thiel are involved. Azoria ETF and 1789 Capital are funds designed to fund MAGA-friendly companies. But this may be a sideshow. The main show is US CEOs sucking up to Trump, as happened at the inauguration. That parallels something Putin did in 2020. Putin called in the top two dozen oligarchs, and…

Why are these idiots trying to ape Russia, a dumpster fire, to make America great again? If there’s anyone to copy it’s China in industry and maybe elements of Western Europe and Japan in some civic areas. Russia is worse on every metric, even the ones conservatives claim to care about: lower birth rate, high divorce rate, much higher abortion rate, higher domestic violence rate, more drug use, more alcoholism, and m…

> I. Do. Not. Get. The Russia fetish.

It's not a Russia fetish. It's a Strongman fetish.

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