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Post by jemmyw »

hansmayer wrote: post #630
jemmyw wrote: post #607

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I don't think there is actually a law anywhere that says you need to obtain the rights to copyright material to read/view them. The person or organisation showing it to you, which might be yourself, needs to have a license. Otherwise things like libraries couldn't exist and you wouldn't be allowed to lend books or even have books in your house that other family members can read. Not saying that particularly impacts y…

I mean, look at it this way. Let's say you purchase a Woody Allen film on DVD. Will anyone seriously prosecute you for watching it at home together with your friends? No, that falls within normal usage. But let's say you now organise a local watching event with the same DVD for 200 people in a hall somewhere, and charge everyone, whatever, $6 - just to cover the hall expenses. Will you be prosecuted? Very likely. Lib…

Right, but those 200 people won't be prosecuted for watching it, which was my point. The example I was thinking about when posting would be putting up a copy of copyright art in a public place. The people in the public place are not breaking the law by looking at it, only the person who placed it... well even then, would the workers who put it up be liable? Probably not, it's not reasonable for someone who puts up billboards to check the copyright license.

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Post by nemo44x »

avgd wrote: post #618
ch4s3 wrote: post #188

I'm surprised to see only one comment here addressing the issue of Chinese AI companies just flatly ignoring US copyright and IP laws/norms. I wonder if there is a viable path where we can facilitate some sort of economic remuneration for people who write and create visual art while not giving up the game to Chinese companies. This seems to be a thorny dilemma.

> Chinese AI companies just flatly ignoring US copyright It is increasingly tiresome to see this clearly racist bias at work when every US company doing AI has been acting the same way. https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell... https://piracymonitor.org/chat-gpt-trained-using-pirated-e-b...

Why is it racist? Nationalist? Sure. But not racist.

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Post by genewitch »

__loam wrote: post #336
visarga wrote: post #159

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> Can't believe I'm actually rooting for the copyright cartels in this fight. The same megacorps are suing Internet Archive for their collection of 78rpm records. These guys would rather see art orphaned and die.

They're suing Internet Archive because IA scanned a bunch of copyrighted books to put online for free (e: without even attempting to get permission to do so) then refused to take them down when they got a C&D lol. IA is putting the whole project at risk so they can do literal copyright infringement with no consequences.

During covid, when everyone was told to stay at home and not do anything, the library offered library books.

And what they actually did is violate the requirement to have a physical copy of the book they were lending.

As I understand it, they did not offer anything new that wasn't available to loan prior.

I could be wrong. But if I'm not, I see no reason to lambast IA.

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Post by api »

Animats wrote: post #555
sitkack wrote: post #224

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Also textbook Fascism. Trump should have a Most Favored Corporate status, each corporation in a vertical can compete for favor and the one that does gets to be "teacher's pet" when it comes to exemptions, contracts, trade deals, priority in resource right access, etc.

That's in progress. It's called the MAGA Parallel Economy.[1] Donald Trump, Jr. is in charge. Vivek Ramaswamy and Peter Thiel are involved. Azoria ETF and 1789 Capital are funds designed to fund MAGA-friendly companies. But this may be a sideshow. The main show is US CEOs sucking up to Trump, as happened at the inauguration. That parallels something Putin did in 2020. Putin called in the top two dozen oligarchs, and…

Why are these idiots trying to ape Russia, a dumpster fire, to make America great again?

If there’s anyone to copy it’s China in industry and maybe elements of Western Europe and Japan in some civic areas.

Russia is worse on every metric, even the ones conservatives claim to care about: lower birth rate, high divorce rate, much higher abortion rate, higher domestic violence rate, more drug use, more alcoholism, and much less church attendance.

I. Do. Not. Get. The Russia fetish.

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Post by selfmodruntime »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #136
dchichkov wrote: post #8

>> In the proposal, OpenAI also said the U.S. needs “a copyright strategy that promotes the freedom to learn” and on “preserving American AI models’ ability to learn from copyrighted material.” Perhaps also symmetric "freedom to learn" from OpenAI models, with some provisions / naming convention? U.S. labs are limited in this way, while labs in China are not.

Chinese AI must implement socialist values by law, but law is a much more fluid fuzzy thing in China than in the USA (although the USA seems to be moving away from rule of law recently).

So? US AI must implement US rules by law. AI models are heavily censored and tend to favor certain political viewpoints.

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Post by antihipocrat »

LexGray wrote: post #551
codedokode wrote: post #413

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What AI companies are doing (downloading pirated music and training models) is completely unfair. It takes lot of money (everything related to music is expensive), talent and work to record a good song and what AI companies do is just grab millions of songs for free and call it "fair use". If their developers are so smart and talented why don't they simply compose and record the music by themselves? > not only a work…

Everything in tech is unfair. Music teachers replaced by apps and videos. Audio engineers replaced by apps. Albums manufacturing and music stores replaced by digital downloads. Custom instruments replaced by digital soundboards. Trained vocalists replaced by auto-tune. AI is just the final blip of squeezing humans out of music.

Not just music, models are trained on all types of art forms that have been created by humans across every medium and businesses are now choosing to use content from AI rather than pay an artist.

Breakout success can still be achieved from humans who create brand new art styles that can't yet be replicated by an AI. These artists will reap the rewards until all of these works are added to the subsequent AI training models.

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Post by someothherguyy »

menaerus wrote: post #655
someothherguyy wrote: post #646

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They produce derivative works, which is also an exclusive right of a copyright holder.

If I derive my work using multiple sources, do all the copyright holders from these multiple sources have an exclusive right on my work? How otherwise would people build a knowledge on some topic and then apply that knowledge to build a product if not by reading bunch of (book) material and studying other similar products?

If they can prove it in court. Would be much easier to do for a LLM than for a human one would think.

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Post by claude_thinking »

nand_gate wrote: post #558
svilen_dobrev wrote: post #115

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> ask for regulation then ask for exempt That's exactly what has been happening: Ask HN: Why is OpenAI pushing for regulation so much - 2023 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36045397

They've no moat so I don't see them surviving without a gov't bail out like this.

LLM usage is still gaining traction. OpenAI may not be on top anymore, but they still have useful services, and they aren’t going under anytime soon.

And time spent dealing with laws and regulations may decrease efficiency, leading to increased power consumption, resulting in greater water usage in datacenters for cooling and more greenhouse gas emissions.

Controlling demand for services is something that could stop this, but it’s technological progress, which could enable solutions for global warming, hunger, and disease.

It’s a locomotive out-of-control. Prayer is the answer I’d think of.

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Post by tremon »

oasisaimlessly wrote: post #593
codedokode wrote: post #413

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What AI companies are doing (downloading pirated music and training models) is completely unfair. It takes lot of money (everything related to music is expensive), talent and work to record a good song and what AI companies do is just grab millions of songs for free and call it "fair use". If their developers are so smart and talented why don't they simply compose and record the music by themselves? > not only a work…

> AI models reproduce existing audio tracks when asked, although in a distorted and low-quality form. So can my wife. Who should I call to have her taken away?

The RIAA.
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