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imtringued wrote: post #428
fusslo wrote: post #239

I'm a firmware engineer that's been working in consumer electronics and I feel very bleak about my future I feel so left behind. I have extremely limited robotics and computer vision experience. I have no ML experience. The only math I know has to do with basic signal processing. When I see open roles at these companies I think the projects I'm going to work on in the future will be more and more irrelevant to societ…

You might feel like this, but end to end learning in robotics has basically killed almost all of the high level trajectory planning, leaving just the real time control up to you. The hardest part is data collection.

That’s true for these research demos. How about for deployed robots that make money?

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greenchair wrote: post #283

question for the robot experts: what is the limitation that makes the movements so slow? for example when it picks up the ball and puts it in the basket. why couldn't that movement be done much faster?

This is highly unlikely to be a mechanical limitation of the robotic arms. As others have said, it's likely an inference speed limitation - their model is understanding, reacting, and producing outputs as fast as its supporting hardware can.

But that all just poofs away in a year or two as inferencing hardware gets better/faster. And for many use cases, the slowness/awkwardness doesn't really matter as long as the job gets done.

"AI working in meatspace" was supposed to be hard, and its rapidly becoming clear that isn't going to be the case at all.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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moralestapia wrote: post #11

The problem with Google is that they keep putting out "videos" but almost ship an actual product. I'm not sure what's the end goal of this other than "get some people excited" or "justify R&D spend to shareholders". This is a great achievement and I'm not underestimating the work of the people involved. But similar videos have been put together by many research labs and startups for years now. I feel like Google's a…

What’s the problem? They produce really good research, funded by their ad business. Transformers, Waymo, this robot stuff.

Sure, there’s almost nothing for you to buy from them right now from these efforts, except to the extent that it contributes behind the scenes to their ad business. That might be a problem for them, but not for the rest of us that benefit from the publications, software and services.

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Post by dyauspitr »

genewitch wrote: post #457
dyauspitr wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s pretty straightforward to cover the entire torso of the robot with a plastic covering.

Why does it even need to be that type of robot, a conveyor that has items on it, but its a mesh, a camera looks, and if something can be sorted just use compressed air to move it to a collection area/bin. Put an electromagnet at the start of the conveyor that can move on a gantry to another bin. Why's everything gotta have arms and graspers it's so inefficient. Robots aren't climbing trees or chasing food. They don't…

It’s this same purpose built argument again. That’s not the point of these. The point is to be able to go and do anything a human can, something the entire world has been built around.

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gertlex wrote: post #151
tediousgraffit1 wrote: post #101

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I'm ignorant, what do they have in 3) cutting edge robotics?

It's somewhat debatable based on lack of results that have made it to market. In addition to the other comment mentioning Boston Dynamics, they are also the employers of a lot of folks that were formerly at the Open Source Robotics Foundation(?) (OSRF) (it's more complicated than that) which is behind the ROS1/ROS2 framework that are widely (not universally) used; They also have an internal division or whatever, Intr…

The OSRF people went to Intrinsic, not Google proper.

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Post by numba888 »

jackcosgrove wrote: post #524
cjmcqueen wrote: post #276

If this makes it easier and faster to sort garbage, we could probably improve the efficiency of recycling 100x. I know there are some places that do that already, but there are so many menial tasks that could be done by robots to improve the world.

I'm still waiting for the clothes-folding robot.

and a buddy who can get drunk too.

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Post by numba888 »

muzani wrote: post #338
jwblackwell wrote: post #296

The upshot of this is that anyone will be able to order a couple of robot arms from China and then set them up in a garage, programming them with just text, like we do with LLMs now. Time to think bigger.

"Time to think bigger." I want to strap robot arms to paralyzed people so they could walk around, pick up stuff, and climb buildings with them.

you probably need robotic leg for walking. or better pony. but doing anything physically requires at least working torso.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by numba888 »

Nathan2055 wrote: post #322
renecito wrote: post #272

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Get concerned when you see a real product in the market that has a sustainable business model. The man behind the curtain here has an army of engineers, unlimited cloud nodes and basically has harvested all the data currently available in the world. It doesn't get any better than this right now. What's next? They'll ping you later on Linked-in with this awesome idea that you need to make sure runs in a $1 USD microco…

> The actual scary stuff is the dilution of expertise, we contributed for a long time to share our knowledge for internet points (stack overflow, open source projects, etc), and it has been harvested by the AIs already, anyone that pays access to these services for tens of dollars a month can bootstrap really quickly and do what it might had needed years of expertise before. What scares me more is the opposite of tha…

> What are they gonna do then when all the discussion boards where that data would originate are either gone or optimized into algorithmic metric farms like all the other social media sites?

As people are using AI more and more for coding and problems solving providing company can keep records and train on them. I.e. if person 1 solved the problem of doing 2 on product 3 then when 4 is trying to do the same it can be either already trained into the model or model can lookup similar problems and solutions. This way the knowledge isn't gone or isolated, it's being saved and reused. Ideally it requires permission from the user, but price cuts can be motivating. Like all main players today have free versions which can collect interaction data. With millions of users it's much more than online forums have.

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