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OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by simion314 »

TheSoftwareGuy wrote: post #23
sega_sai wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how this "freedom to learn" should apply to models, but not real people..

It already applies to real people, doesn't it? I.e. if you read a book, you're not allowed to start printing and selling copies of that book without permission of the copyright owner, but if you learn something from that book you can use that knowledge, just like a model could.

>you can use that knowledge,

Did OpenAI bought one copy of each book, or did they legaly borowed athe books and documents ?

if you copy paste rom books and claim is your content you are plagiarizing. LLMs were provent to copy paste trained content so now what? Should only big Tech be excluded from plagiarizing ?

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by EGreg »

dchichkov wrote: post #8

>> In the proposal, OpenAI also said the U.S. needs “a copyright strategy that promotes the freedom to learn” and on “preserving American AI models’ ability to learn from copyrighted material.” Perhaps also symmetric "freedom to learn" from OpenAI models, with some provisions / naming convention? U.S. labs are limited in this way, while labs in China are not.

Gearing up for a fight between the two major industries based on exploitative business models:

Copyright cartels (RIAA, MPAA) that monetized young artists without paying them much at all [1], vs the AI megalomaniacs who took all the work for free and used Kenyans at $2 an hour [2] so that they can raise "$7 trillion" for their AI infrastructure

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/LetsTalkMusic/comments/1fzyr0u/arti...

[2] https://time.com/6247678/openai-chatgpt-kenya-workers/

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by pier25 »

TheSoftwareGuy wrote: post #23
sega_sai wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how this "freedom to learn" should apply to models, but not real people..

It already applies to real people, doesn't it? I.e. if you read a book, you're not allowed to start printing and selling copies of that book without permission of the copyright owner, but if you learn something from that book you can use that knowledge, just like a model could.

> just like a model could

Not really. You can't multiply yourself a million times to produce content at an industrial scale.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by alabastervlog »

TheSoftwareGuy wrote: post #23
sega_sai wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how this "freedom to learn" should apply to models, but not real people..

It already applies to real people, doesn't it? I.e. if you read a book, you're not allowed to start printing and selling copies of that book without permission of the copyright owner, but if you learn something from that book you can use that knowledge, just like a model could.

This is why I think my array of hard drives full of movies isn't piracy. My server just learned about those movies and can tell me about them, is all. Just like a person!

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by arrosenberg »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #42

It probably needs to be a law not an executive order but I don't hate the idea. States have the power to make it prohibitively expensive to operate in those states, leaving people to either go to VPNs or use AI's hosted in other countries where they don't care if they're not following whatever new AI law California decides to pass. And companies would choose just to use datacenters not in the prohibitive states and b…

> Course if a company hosts in us-east-1, and allows access from California, would the inter state commerce clause not take effect and California would have no power anyways?

California can't legislate how they serve a customer in a different state. They would have to comply when serving California customers within the state of California, regardless of where the dc is located. I.E. Under the CCPA it doesn't matter where my data is stored, they still have to delete it upon my request.

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Post by Terretta »

m1el wrote: post #32
TheSoftwareGuy wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It already applies to real people, doesn't it? I.e. if you read a book, you're not allowed to start printing and selling copies of that book without permission of the copyright owner, but if you learn something from that book you can use that knowledge, just like a model could.

when it comes to real people, they get sued into oblivion for downloading copyrighted content, even for the purpose of learning. but when facebook & openai do it, at a much larger scale, suddenly the laws must be changed.

> when it comes to real people, they get sued into oblivion for downloading copyrighted content, even for the purpose of learning.

Really? Or do they get sued for sharing as in republishing without transformation? Arguably a URL providing copyrighted content, is you offering a xerox machine.

It seems most "sued into oblivion" are the reshare problem, not the get one for myself problem.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by reilly3000 »

crorella wrote: post #47

If they want to avoid paying for the creative effort of authors and other artists then they should also not charge for the use of their models.

They should train a model on a clean dataset and copyright dataset, charge extra on the copyright model, and pay a royalty to copyright owners when their works are cited in a response.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by ben_w »

triceratops wrote: post #36
TheSoftwareGuy wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It already applies to real people, doesn't it? I.e. if you read a book, you're not allowed to start printing and selling copies of that book without permission of the copyright owner, but if you learn something from that book you can use that knowledge, just like a model could.

Can I download a book without paying for it, and print copies of it? Stash copies in my bathroom, the gym, my office, my bedroom etc. to basically have a copy on hand to study from whenever I have some free time? What about movies and music?

To the extent that this is how libraries function, yes.

The part of that which doesn't apply is "print copies", at least not complete copies, but libraries often have photocopiers in them for fragments needed for research.

AI models shouldn't do that either, IMO. But unlimited complete copies is the mistake the Internet Archive made, too.

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