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Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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Post by smatija »

2thumbsup wrote: post #35
sunshine-o wrote: post #30

I believe people fundamentally misunderstand what the EU is and how it works. Here is what I have learned from people who know the system very well and after working with it myself: - The EU is designed to be influenced and run by lobbies. And it is in the open and assumed. - The Parliament is a joke. And you can partially blame the member countries who really do not send their best there, because they know it is jok…

This does not make sense to me. I question how much you have worked for the EU. 1. EU is the most aggressive when it comes to legislation far exceeding the US in terms of privacy law, competition law and setting strict minimums for labor conditions etc. 2. Being a candidate to run for Member of European Parliament is considered to be available only to the Member of National Parliaments with the most personal votes an…

I don't know where you are from, but at least in Slovenia if you see someone running for EU parliament you know he is basically retiring from politics.

EU parliament has no actual power, EU is basically ran by EC and ECB.

Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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Post by dachworker »

amarcheschi wrote: post #46
dachworker wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please do tell how lobbying without bribery is supposed to operate.

I do not know if it's a joke that i'm too european to understand or you're serious, but at least in europe there are some rules regarding lobby and transparency[1]. Bribes are of course something that doesn't follow the rules and thus are not lobbying. [1] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/en/transparen...

I am also European and your way of thinking is completely alien to me.

Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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Post by jampekka »

dachworker wrote: post #39
benterix wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Authorities suspect that Huawei lobbyists have paid bribes to MEPs in return for backing their cause in the European Union. > Isn’t that the cost of doing business in the EU? No, it's not. If you represent a business there is an official way to express your stance and lobby for your cause but bribing MEPs is a criminal offence (both for the perpetrator and those who receive personal benefits).

Please do tell how lobbying without bribery is supposed to operate.

Bribery becomes lobbying when bribery is legalized. Also especially enforcement depends on who does the favors for the reps and officials.

Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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Post by pferde »

dachworker wrote: post #52
amarcheschi wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not know if it's a joke that i'm too european to understand or you're serious, but at least in europe there are some rules regarding lobby and transparency[1]. Bribes are of course something that doesn't follow the rules and thus are not lobbying. [1] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/en/transparen...

I am also European and your way of thinking is completely alien to me.

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Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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Post by 2thumbsup »

dachworker wrote: post #39
benterix wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Authorities suspect that Huawei lobbyists have paid bribes to MEPs in return for backing their cause in the European Union. > Isn’t that the cost of doing business in the EU? No, it's not. If you represent a business there is an official way to express your stance and lobby for your cause but bribing MEPs is a criminal offence (both for the perpetrator and those who receive personal benefits).

Please do tell how lobbying without bribery is supposed to operate.

Plenty of companies have Public Affairs departments that work essentially as lobbyist, but no bribery neither to the MEP nor the Political Party is involved.

Many lobbyists work "simply" by producing reports and collecting data that works in favor or their proposals, publishing them to opinion pieces in newspapers etc.

Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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Post by petesergeant »

2thumbsup wrote: post #35
sunshine-o wrote: post #30

I believe people fundamentally misunderstand what the EU is and how it works. Here is what I have learned from people who know the system very well and after working with it myself: - The EU is designed to be influenced and run by lobbies. And it is in the open and assumed. - The Parliament is a joke. And you can partially blame the member countries who really do not send their best there, because they know it is jok…

This does not make sense to me. I question how much you have worked for the EU. 1. EU is the most aggressive when it comes to legislation far exceeding the US in terms of privacy law, competition law and setting strict minimums for labor conditions etc. 2. Being a candidate to run for Member of European Parliament is considered to be available only to the Member of National Parliaments with the most personal votes an…

In the UK, before we (sadly) left, being an MEP was a bit of a joke, where being an MP was a much bigger deal. Maybe other countries are different, but nobody who wanted to rise through the ranks in the UK would opt to be an MEP over an MP, and I suspect that’s very similar in many other member countries.

Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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Post by mzajc »

borkt wrote: post #55
azernik wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way is Bellingcat a "spook-run operation"?

See link below): https://www.researchgate.net/publication/371139794_Unveiling...

If you'd like to make a point against Bellingcat, you should probably avoid citing poorly generated slop.
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