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Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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You’ll notice that in one of the cases, it is creating felons, and in the other, it’s elevating felons to high office. Pretty key difference.

Whataboutism

It's only whataboutism if it's from the nonsequitur region of France. Otherwise it's just sparkling comparison.

Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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Some questions from your side of the Atlantic (I’m Dutch): how is Europe in good shape while Germany is in a recession for years now? And while our governments are becoming as polarized as the US? And while electricity prices are so high that it’s cheaper to stick to fossil fuels? It all makes no sense. I don’t think it’s all hopeless in Europe. But pretending we are in good shape is also not the way to go.

>how is Europe in good shape while Germany is in a recession for years now? It's in a better shape because unlike the US leaders, European leaders are much better at pandering, being politically correct and saying the right socially acceptable things in public that get universal appraisal on the world stage, without them actually doing anything concrete or solving any of the issues. Basically, they win on optics. At…

> It's in a better shape because unlike the US leaders, European leaders are better at pandering, being politically correct and saying the right socially acceptable things in public

I couldn't agree more. What I keep wondering though is whether this is new? Have politicians always focused on saying they fix things instead of actually fixing things? Many historians consider Franklin D. Roosevelt as one of the best presidents since his optimism and New Deal got the United States out of the Great Depression (which is a weird name because nobody thinks it was very great). Are presidents like Roosevelt the exception? Should we expect that most presidents will achieve nothing more than a scandal like Watergate? I don't know.

Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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In other comments you talked about how eu spending money to defend eu[1] and the romanian candidate being arrested for violating the law weren't the right things to do[2], or at least complained about how they were done. To my eyes, these things show that in fact, eu is actually doing something about defense and protecting democracy, and to your eyes you see this as more taxes and the death of democracy and an eviden…

What's you point by moving the discussion to something else by bringing up tangential but unrelated comments I made a while ago? Sorry, I'm not gonna bite and feed the trolls..

I showed some things that you do not see as the right course of action for the eu, i'm not moving the discussion. I'm genuinely interested in the path you would take regarding defense in europe

Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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>> Authorities suspect that Huawei lobbyists have paid bribes to MEPs in return for backing their cause in the European Union. > Isn’t that the cost of doing business in the EU? No, it's not. If you represent a business there is an official way to express your stance and lobby for your cause but bribing MEPs is a criminal offence (both for the perpetrator and those who receive personal benefits).

Please do tell how lobbying without bribery is supposed to operate.

I do not know if it's a joke that i'm too european to understand or you're serious, but at least in europe there are some rules regarding lobby and transparency[1]. Bribes are of course something that doesn't follow the rules and thus are not lobbying.

[1] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/en/transparen...

Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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Eva "Cash" Kaili. Part two.

You're never going to get rid of bribery and corruption entirely, unfortunately. Greed is way too strong a motivator. Hopefully people actually getting arrested and charged for it makes people think twice though.

Greed is NOT the ultimate problem. With over 21 trillion undocumented adjustments in US GOV. It is too much for just greed. People who are taking that much money is about control.

Humans just love control and predict future and not good at uncertainty that's how we ended up here.

Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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TBO, I've heard of cases where some European politicians were sentenced for bribery, but I rarely hear about such cases in the US. I don't know, perhaps it's because American politicians have higher moral standards, or maybe it's because bribery is not illegal in the United States.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-loosen-enforcement-us...

Re: Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe

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>> Authorities suspect that Huawei lobbyists have paid bribes to MEPs in return for backing their cause in the European Union. > Isn’t that the cost of doing business in the EU? No, it's not. If you represent a business there is an official way to express your stance and lobby for your cause but bribing MEPs is a criminal offence (both for the perpetrator and those who receive personal benefits).

Please do tell how lobbying without bribery is supposed to operate.

Same way as advertising, just much more personal. There are ways to change people's opinions without paying them.
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