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Post by ninetyninenine »

hnfong wrote: post #416
n_ary wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I see pro-AI promoters giving weird analogies that do not fit, I get a feeling that they are either management class(aka MBA types) or are not serious professionals. One key point we must first understand, coding is NOT software engineering or even programming! Writing code is the last bit, a minimal fraction of the job description(unless you are actually indie dev or working for consulting firms). The core task…

Apparently there's a quote attributed to Bill Gates: "people overestimate what they can do in one year and underestimate what they can do in 10 years." People overestimate the changes that could happen within a couple years, and totally underestimate the changes that would happen in decades. Perhaps it's a consequence of change having some kind of exponential behavior. The first couple years might not feel like anyth…

I agree. But I think the change will come between 5 to 10 years.

Anecdotally the amount of hype and interest has been growing exponentially. This will push progress to a maximal pace. The next 10 years will be significantly faster then the last 10 years.

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Post by wombatpm »

greedylizard wrote: post #396
DebtDeflation wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw Musk saying a couple of days ago that we've "hit the limit of peak data" for training AI. My immediate reaction was no, surely you have not trained on every copyrighted textbook on every subject ever written. You hit the peak of easily accessible internet data that you could quickly steal to train your models.

I can’t help but think that’s the real reasons he wants five billets from every federal worker every week. Free, hot, and fresh data!

Eventually humans ability to create new fresh data will be the justification for UBI. Fo shizzle

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Post by holografix »

Can you imagine what Google hcould have achieved had they not let “Astro Teller” burn it all up? If all the money that’s gone into X had instead gone to space tech could they have a 2nd place to Space X?

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Post by LouisSayers »

alphan0n wrote: post #395
decimalenough wrote: post #380

I always thought that Asimov's Laws of Robotics ("A robot may not injure a human being" etc) were an interesting prop for science fiction, but wildly disconnected from the way computing & robotics actually work. Turns out he was just writing LLM prompts way ahead of his time.

Hey Gemini, tell me a story like my grandma used to. It’s called “Choke me gently”.

Grandma was clearly German. They have the best children's stories.

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Post by pjerem »

decimalenough wrote: post #380

I always thought that Asimov's Laws of Robotics ("A robot may not injure a human being" etc) were an interesting prop for science fiction, but wildly disconnected from the way computing & robotics actually work. Turns out he was just writing LLM prompts way ahead of his time.

Oh ! You are right ! I always thought the same.

And now I wouldn’t even trust them to understand the laws 100% of the time.

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Post by pjerem »

tkzed49 wrote: post #405
decimalenough wrote: post #365

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There are plenty of places [1] where garbage is sorted for free by poor people who scrape a living from recycling it. Sorting garbage is a terrible job for humans, but it's a terrible one for robots too. Those fancy mechanical actuators etc are not going to stand up well to garbage that's regularly saturated with liquids, oil, grease, vomit, feces, dead animals, etc. [1] https://loe.org/shows/segments.html?programID=…

are you implying that society shouldn't aim to reduce human interaction with vomit, feces, and dead animals? Robotics in harsh environments isn't unheard of

> human interaction with vomit, feces, and dead animals

Humans can generally stand this without an issue.

In fact you wouldn’t replace a lot of jobs that involves this : doctors, nurses, emergency workers, caregivers…

It just happens to be difficult. But people love doing difficult things as long as it’s : a) rewarding, b) respected, and c) sufficiently paid

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Post by yread »

cjmcqueen wrote: post #276

If this makes it easier and faster to sort garbage, we could probably improve the efficiency of recycling 100x. I know there are some places that do that already, but there are so many menial tasks that could be done by robots to improve the world.

This is not going to be used for sorting garbage. That's just not how capitalism works

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Post by imtringued »

fusslo wrote: post #239

I'm a firmware engineer that's been working in consumer electronics and I feel very bleak about my future I feel so left behind. I have extremely limited robotics and computer vision experience. I have no ML experience. The only math I know has to do with basic signal processing. When I see open roles at these companies I think the projects I'm going to work on in the future will be more and more irrelevant to societ…

You might feel like this, but end to end learning in robotics has basically killed almost all of the high level trajectory planning, leaving just the real time control up to you.

The hardest part is data collection.

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Post by imtringued »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #313
renecito wrote: post #272

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Get concerned when you see a real product in the market that has a sustainable business model. The man behind the curtain here has an army of engineers, unlimited cloud nodes and basically has harvested all the data currently available in the world. It doesn't get any better than this right now. What's next? They'll ping you later on Linked-in with this awesome idea that you need to make sure runs in a $1 USD microco…

I saw Musk saying a couple of days ago that we've "hit the limit of peak data" for training AI. My immediate reaction was no, surely you have not trained on every copyrighted textbook on every subject ever written. You hit the peak of easily accessible internet data that you could quickly steal to train your models.

You might not know it, but there is no data for AI in robotics.

Everyone has to collect their own data and pool it together or else there won't be any progress.

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Post by the13 »

cjmcqueen wrote: post #276

If this makes it easier and faster to sort garbage, we could probably improve the efficiency of recycling 100x. I know there are some places that do that already, but there are so many menial tasks that could be done by robots to improve the world.

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