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Gemini Robotics

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Re: Gemini Robotics

#351

The problem with Google is that their ad business brings so much revenue that no other product makes sense. They will use whatever they learn with robots to raise their ad revenue, somehow.

Gcloud is a running business, and AI is a billable service in it. There's a strong incentive to branch out from 1 line of business, especially as AIe can replace regular Google search and the web browsing that shows Google ads.

Search is in real danger of mostly obsolescence. Ads aren't safe.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Get concerned when you see a real product in the market that has a sustainable business model. The man behind the curtain here has an army of engineers, unlimited cloud nodes and basically has harvested all the data currently available in the world. It doesn't get any better than this right now. What's next? They'll ping you later on Linked-in with this awesome idea that you need to make sure runs in a $1 USD microco…

I saw Musk saying a couple of days ago that we've "hit the limit of peak data" for training AI. My immediate reaction was no, surely you have not trained on every copyrighted textbook on every subject ever written. You hit the peak of easily accessible internet data that you could quickly steal to train your models.

The 82TB Meta trained on is still a lot of textbooks.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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The upshot of this is that anyone will be able to order a couple of robot arms from China and then set them up in a garage, programming them with just text, like we do with LLMs now. Time to think bigger.

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Re: Gemini Robotics

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I'm a firmware engineer that's been working in consumer electronics and I feel very bleak about my future I feel so left behind. I have extremely limited robotics and computer vision experience. I have no ML experience. The only math I know has to do with basic signal processing. When I see open roles at these companies I think the projects I'm going to work on in the future will be more and more irrelevant to societ…

It might be time to pick up some books and reading up on this stuff. What's nice is that you can directly ask ChatGPT/etc questions about all this tech, and the math behind it! It's never been an easier time to learn new things.

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Google uses their insane ad revenue to subsidize the Xerox Parc / Bell Labs of the current generation. Waymo, DeepMind, Gemini Robotics. They're killing it and leading the entire market. It's not just researchers. Engineers at Google get to spin up products and throw spaghetti at walls, too. Google has more money than God to throw around. Google's ad dominance will probably never go away unless antitrust action by th…

Google has been looking for post-ad post-search revenue for almost a decade now. They certainly won't dominate forever and have several signals flashing red for a few years now.

YouTube has bigger revenues than Netflix. While the majority of that revenue is from ads, they get it by providing immense value in the form of near-unlimited entertainment.

That's just one of their many business units.

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I don't think anything will impact Safari. Mozilla will be closing doors tho.

Apple would no longer get $20 billion from Google for default search engine placement. Microsoft... and DDG or Yandex? might pay some, but nothing like that with the biggest bidder off the table. Safari funding would _definitely_ take a huge hit.

That would be the go sign for Apple to develop their own search product.

They'd just have to watch out for similar antitrust action.

Re: Gemini Robotics

#357

The problem with Google is that their ad business brings so much revenue that no other product makes sense. They will use whatever they learn with robots to raise their ad revenue, somehow.

why do the people on this website have such obviously flawed world models

Re: Gemini Robotics

#358

If this makes it easier and faster to sort garbage, we could probably improve the efficiency of recycling 100x. I know there are some places that do that already, but there are so many menial tasks that could be done by robots to improve the world.

I don't think the issue with recyling is just sorting? Plenty of sorted garbage has gone unrecycled.

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If you can recognize what garbage to yeet, you can already yeet it today. You don't need a terribly slow robot arm to do it.

Who's "you" here? The person at home, an employee at a recycling center, or garbage dump?

The vision models already filtering recycling today? And in a million other industrial processes?

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Nobody cares about the efficiency of recycling. Existing pro-recycling orgs will want no part of this and do what they can to stop it. This is because if it becomes easy then it won’t matter and all the marketing, non profit orgs and everything goes away, making it a non problem. While I am sure you will find people who will like these ideas and want them, they will have zero control. At this point recycling is a mar…

Big corporations definitely care about recycling. Sustainability is a major issue for them, not for marketing and such, but because they're thinking 50 years down the line. If they can't keep making xPhones then, they'll need to find a new product or invade a country, and both of these things need to be planned decades in advance. If recycling is a gimmick, it's more to stakeholders than consumers.

You seem uninformed of the realities of recycling.
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