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open-weights, not open-source (sorry to be that one but open source in this case would mean you can build it yourself from provided "source", which you can't, because it's not provided)

And even "open-weights" is generous, as they're released under a proprietary license with usage restrictions, not an open-source license.

"Weights available"

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> open weights What exactly is this supposed to mean? That I can grab the weights by just downloading them, or something like that? Because when I open up the HuggingFace repository, it asks me to "accept the conditions" (Google’s usage license). How is this different from any other proprietary binaries people distribute on the internet but let you run locally? Are other software (like 1Password for example) also "op…

Replace "google" with "unsloth" in the browser address bar if you want to download them without signing up to hf

Regardless of where you get the weights, Google says you need to follow their terms and conditions for the model/weights:

> By using, reproducing, modifying, distributing, performing or displaying any portion or element of Gemma, Model Derivatives including via any Hosted Service, (each as defined below) (collectively, the "Gemma Services") or otherwise accepting the terms of this Agreement, you agree to be bound by this Agreement.

https://ai.google.dev/gemma/terms

Worth knowing if you're planning to use this model for production usage/with a business.

So once again, I don't understand what "open" is supposed to mean when they call models like these "open weights". What part exactly is "open"?

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Greetings from the Gemma team! We just got Gemma 3 out of the oven and are super excited to show it to you! Please drop any questions here and we'll answer ASAP. (Opinions our own and not of Google DeepMind.) PS we are hiring: https://boards.greenhouse.io/deepmind/jobs/6590957

Google is using Greenhouse for ATS now?

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Lots to be excited about here - in particular new architecture that allows subquadratic scaling of memory needs for long context; looks like 128k+ context is officially now available on a local model. The charts make it look like if you have the RAM the model is pretty good out to 350k or so(!) with RoPE. In addition, it flavor tests well on chat arena, ELO significantly above yesterday’s best open model, Qwen 2.5 72…

Gemma is made by Google, not DeepMind. edit: Sorry, forgot DeepMind was Google's AI R&D, I read it as deepseek in your comment.

That’s Google DeepMind to you

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Replace "google" with "unsloth" in the browser address bar if you want to download them without signing up to hf

Regardless of where you get the weights, Google says you need to follow their terms and conditions for the model/weights: > By using, reproducing, modifying, distributing, performing or displaying any portion or element of Gemma, Model Derivatives including via any Hosted Service, (each as defined below) (collectively, the "Gemma Services") or otherwise accepting the terms of this Agreement, you agree to be bound by…

i think generally these companies are too afraid of the obvious rejoinder to try actually enforcing these terms

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Yes, it would be absolutely shameful if there was pornography on the internet, easily available to anyone, even children . Society would crumble!

It's funny because the results are in, millennials grew up with pretty easy access to all manner of porn from an early age and the effect has been nothing. Even a reduction in intimacy if anything. I'm sure the hysterical puritans of the past will come out any day now and admit that they weren't even 1% correct in their assertions.

> Even a reduction in intimacy if anything.

My understanding is that this is one of their complaints

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No, there's no movement to shut down pornography on the internet. There's a movement to shut down specific websites and make a lot of noise about it but continue consuming pornography behind closed doors. People like pornography. They'll as soon ban alcohol again (which worked so well last time)

On the contrary. Porn is inaccessible, along with many other things, in much of the world. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries... Alcohol is another good example.

Legally inaccessible; in practice widely available.

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For someone jumping back on the local LLM train after having been out for 2 years, what is the current best local web-server solution to host this for myself on a GPU (RTX3080) Linux server? Preferably with support for the multimodal image input and LaTeX rendering on the output..

I don't really care about insanely "full kitchen sink" things that feature 100 plugins to all existing cloud AI services etc. Just running the released models the way they are intended on a web server...

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> They are designed to help prevent our models from generating harmful content, i.e., > [...] > Sexually explicit content Dear tech companies. Sexually explicit content is not harmful. Why are you all run by puritans? I don't even want to make edgy porn, I just want to be treated like an adult.

There are very few pro-porn voices in the corporate, tie-wearing environments that have the money to train new LLMs from scratch. Oh, there are loads of porn enjoyers working in such companies - but traditional professionalism means you leave the porn at home during the work day. It is, after all, NSFW. So at the meeting where censorship decisions were being made, even a weak argument for censoring explicit content w…

Places training LLMs don’t have many people who wear ties.
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